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Old March 29th, 2013, 05:07 AM   #421
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This site warrants the city's tallest building.
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Old March 29th, 2013, 07:18 AM   #422
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re: midtown east rezoning......"here are so many other sites in the city, hundreds of millions of square feet worth, that would be cheaper and easier to develop" bla bla bla

everything else is a matter of conjecture
You ignore quite a lot. You think people demolish buildings solely for being ugly? Nope. Buildings like these are almost always incredibly efficient to the tenants and rarely get replaced.

This is off topic anyway.
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Old March 29th, 2013, 04:19 PM   #423
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Yes, 55 Water Street was the largest building in the world and now the largest building in NYC.
Actually, it never was the largest in the world. The Pentagon completed on September 11, 1941 (yes, 9/11 was on its 60th anniversary), is 6.5 million square feet, while 55 Water Street is only 3.5 million square feet. Also, 1WTC was completed a few months beforehand at 4.3 million square feet.

As far as I know, it's still the largest in NYC, and will be the exact same size as the new 1WTC.
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Old March 29th, 2013, 04:25 PM   #424
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Afaik 55 Water Street is 3,8 million square feet and the Pentagon is 3,7 million square feet.
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Old March 29th, 2013, 04:38 PM   #425
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This probably mixed you up.

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The Pentagon is the world's largest office building by floor area, with about 6,500,000 sq ft (600,000 m2), of which 3,700,000 sq ft (340,000 m2) are used as offices.
Here's 55 Water Street's Wikipedia. It has it as "once largest office building in the world", but we know better. Still cites it as 3.5 million square feet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/55_Water_Street

Also, to put the size of the Pentagon (blue) in perspective when compared to the Empire State Building (grey):
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Old March 29th, 2013, 04:51 PM   #426
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Okay, but Pentagon is a special building. And it's the largest in New York still.
And here it says 3,8. http://www.55water.com/
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Old March 29th, 2013, 07:42 PM   #427
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I doubt anybody's gonna beat the square meters/feet of Abby in Mecca any time soon, LOL, it has nearly 17 million square feet
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Old March 29th, 2013, 07:50 PM   #428
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Yeah but the whole Abraj al Bait Complex is so huge, it's not one tower, that's the same as counting all five WTC towers as one.
Btw, Willis Tower has 4.56 million square feet.
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Old March 29th, 2013, 08:35 PM   #429
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I doubt anybody's gonna beat the square meters/feet of Abby in Mecca any time soon, LOL, it has nearly 17 million square feet
Main clock tower is only 3.6 or 3.8 million square feet, which is still 3rd largest for a supertall on the planet if I remember correctly. Great to have you back, Kanto!

And thanks for the link Tim. Wikipedia can be unreliable at times, and info from the building's own website is sure to be accurate.
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http://gothamist.com/2013/04/19/midt...sc.php#photo-4

Midtown East's Possible Future: Skyscrapers Blocking Out The Chrysler Building


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Last year, the Bloomberg administration unveiled a proposal to rezone Midtown East around Grand Central Terminal to build much bigger skyscrapers, sometimes up to 60% bigger. And without the lengthy approval process.

If passed—the city's City Planning Commission will decide whether to certify the plan on Monday, April 22—it could mean buildings as big as the Empire State Building added to the already bustling area. The city would also charge builders more to build higher buildings, and the money would go to infrastructure improvements.

Of course, there are concerns—and the Municipal Art Society of New York, the non-profit dedicated to a livable NYC, has many. In fact, the MAS (which refers to the area as "East Midtown") commissioned photo simulations of what a rezoned East Midtown could look like, based on the various details for height and setbacks regulations as well as floor area ratios in the Draft Environmental Impact Statement, based on the city's February presentation. And the renderings are pretty dramatic. ...
Renderings, based on the city's February 28, 2013 presentation, created by Environmental Simulation Center for the MAS(Municipal Arts Society)







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Old April 21st, 2013, 12:29 AM   #431
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You won't even be able to see the MetLife Building from the west anymore if something like is built and the Chrysler Building will also be obscured...
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Old April 21st, 2013, 12:39 AM   #432
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A massive increase in density to the already densest CBD in the world.
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Old April 21st, 2013, 12:58 AM   #433
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Didn't know they wanted to build on the sites of the Grand Hyatt and Bank of America Building. The tallest tower in there is on the Roosevelt Hotel site btw. The sketches look massive imo, especially the lower ones, they could be slimmer.
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Old April 21st, 2013, 11:33 AM   #434
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A massive increase in density to the already densest CBD in the world.
which is perfect . can't wait for the first projects rising here!
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Old April 21st, 2013, 01:46 PM   #435
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I really hope we'll gonna see a building at least as tall as 1WTC at this site
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Old April 21st, 2013, 04:05 PM   #436
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Unless SL Green demands outrageous rents, this tower is likely to rise before Brookfield's Manhattan West and Extell's One Hudson Yards. This location is highly desirable.
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Old April 21st, 2013, 04:10 PM   #437
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Do you think this site will attract tenants faster and easier than WTC2 & 3?

I guess it just depends whether this does get approved and when
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Old April 21st, 2013, 05:58 PM   #438
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3 WTC's first 500k to 1m sf will attract tenants before any new tower, but for HY North, because, like Related, Silverstein is basically leasing that space at cost. Therefore, it should lease before the rest of 3 and all of 2.
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Old April 21st, 2013, 07:48 PM   #439
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Since this is arround Grand Central Terminal the project will have a good accessability by subway, so I guess that the asking price for office space will be quite high
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You won't even be able to see the MetLife Building from the west anymore if something like is built and the Chrysler Building will also be obscured...
Which is not always a bad thing. I'm not a fan of the MetLife building's design.
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