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Old September 30th, 2013, 08:40 AM   #521
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. 500m would be a perfect height to mark the area as NYs premier CBD.

That would be a sad wasted opportunity. The Chrysler was a new development at one point. I'm sure some people thought it would block the view of some other beloved tower at the time. Something landmark and futuristic needs to be by builit here, not some average design. The render is atrocious and if they go that way I'm going to seriously question NYs ambition in design.

BTW, I would have thought residential would be more likely to go higher than pure office.
"Sad wasted opportunity"...? Not when it involved tearing down Grand Central Station.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 06:37 PM   #522
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"Sad wasted opportunity"...? Not when it involved tearing down Grand Central Station.
have you been reading this thread at all? First of all this site will not produce something in the 500m range. Second of all it would not require the demolition of GCT.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 07:01 PM   #523
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As set forth in the following article from the 30 Sep 2013 WSJ, 1 Vanderbilt and 425 Park may grow due to the proposed rezoning.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...DDLETopStories

That's great to hear. I was hoping 610 Lexington would have been included as well since it is my understanding the developer is also itching to get their project started.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 08:43 PM   #524
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BREAKING NEWS

We are 1 step closer!

East Midtown Rezoning Plan Approved by City Planning Commission
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/2013...ing-commission

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MIDTOWN — The proposal to overhaul East Midtown's aging business district to allow for new, larger skyscrapers moved one step closer to becoming reality Monday.

The City Planning Commission overwhelmingly approved the Bloomberg administration's application to rezone 73 blocks around Grand Central Terminal, voting 11-0 with one recusal and one abstention.

The measure that would allow buildings with greater density, higher ceilings and wider floors now heads to the City Council, which has until the end of November to vote on it.

"If we are to continue to have a world-class district with top-tier, state-of-the-art office space, we need to change the zoning — but carefully," Commission chairwoman Amanda Burden said. "This proposal...will allow East Midtown to usher in the next generation of state-of-the-art and competitive office space, and to ensure that the district maintains its vital role in support of the city’s economy."

The plan, however, has encountered strong resistance from local leaders. At the hearing Monday, many people sitting in the gallery shook their heads as commissioners voiced support for the rezoning.

"Disappointing. Gravely disappointing," said Lola Finkelstein, chairwoman of a multi-community board task force that has strongly opposed the plan.

While agreeing that East Midtown's office stock is in need of upgrade, the task force — composed of eight of Manhattan's 12 community boards — has argued the plan lacks crucial details on when and how infrastructure would be upgraded to handle the influx of commuters, and how a District Improvement Fund for supporting infrastructure improvements would be managed.

Additional concerns were sparked late Sunday night, when the Wall Street Journal revealed the administration might allow two major developers to begin building in advance of a four-year moratorium. A "sunrise provision" had been made part of the rezoning plan to avoid competition with other large-scale developments in the Financial District and Hudson Yards.

At Monday's hearing, talk focused on transit and the District Improvement Fund. Commissioners Anna Levin and Michelle de la Uz expressed reservations regarding both issues, but Levin nonetheless voted for the plan, with de la Uz abstaining.

"We appreciated their recognition of the inadequacy of the plan," Finkelstein said.

The Multi-Board Task Force was scheduled to offer its full reaction at a press conference Tuesday.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 08:50 PM   #525
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I honestly don't see why the rezoning would be declined... I mean it puts much more pennies in their pockets!
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Old September 30th, 2013, 09:16 PM   #526
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Stig,

As noted, many NY NIMBYs fiercely oppose very tall towers because they claim that the city is too densely packed with tall towers to support even bigger ones.

I am surprised by this. Hopefully, 425 Park will be at least 300m and 1 Vanderbilt will be 400m.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 09:30 PM   #527
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Stig,

As noted, many NY NIMBYs fiercely oppose very tall towers because they claim that the city is too densely packed with tall towers to support even bigger ones.

I am surprised by this. Hopefully, 425 Park will be at least 300m and 1 Vanderbilt will be 400m.
I will be very happy if 1 Vandy reaches 400m mark!
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Old September 30th, 2013, 09:42 PM   #528
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Developer for 1 Vanderbilt and 425 PA to get the green light!

Midtown east rezoning gets crucial OK

The City Planning Commission voted in favor of the controversial midtown east rezoning after agreeing to allow some developers to start construction of projects sooner, as long as the developer promises transit upgrades.

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...TATE/130939991

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The City Planning Commission unanimously voted Monday to approve the city's midtown east rezoning plan, adopting a last minute change that would allow some developers to start construction of projects earlier than the plan's scheduled sunrise in 2017.

The vote was the penultimate step in the controversial plan's months-long public approval process, during which it has drawn sharp outcry from civic and landmark preservation groups and some public officials. The plan was eventually revised by the city in an attempt to appease the critics.

The rezoning now faces its final test in front of the City Council, which is expected to vote on the proposal as soon as next month. The council will hold public hearings on the rezoning plan in the coming weeks.

The rezoning seeks to upzone a large swath of midtown from just south of Grand Central Terminal to East 57th Street, between Madison and Third avenues, to encourage a new generation of state-of-the art skyscrapers and solidify midtown's place as a world class business district. The city would sell air rights to allow that development, raising what it has suggested could be $500 million or more to pay for transit and pedestrian improvements in and around Grand Central.

Opponents have complained that the plan will usher in the destruction of treasured architecture in the neighborhood and jam an already overcrowded area with swarms of new workers without delivering much needed transit upgrades. Critics also say that some of the plan's components, including an amendment that would allow developers to dedicate as much as 20% of a new development for residential use, warrant further consideration. The rezoning was originally meant to create more office towers.

On Monday, the City Planning Commission made another change to the plan in allowing smaller-sized developments, whose construction would be coupled with transit improvements, to proceed before the plan's broader 2017 sunrise. The changes would allow boutique buildings—those with a footprint from 25,000 square feet to 30,000 square feet—to start construction immediately while participating in the rezoning. Meanwhile, larger buildings would be granted a yearlong head start, meaning they could break ground in 2016, if their work includes improvements to transit infrastructure.

A spokesman says the city adopted the changes because boutique buildings would not compete with the large-scale development for tenants that the sunset was instituted to protect, including Hudson Yards and the World Trade Center. The transit improvements that would come along with the development of larger buildings, meanwhile, would help accelerate the delivery of key infrastructure to the area.

SL Green Realty Corp., which controls one of midtown east's largest development sites, on Vanderbilt Avenue and East 42nd Street, was eager to take advantage of the 12-month head start, according to The Wall Street Journal. That project could be eligible because it would provide enhancements to Grand Central's subway station, which branches into the proposed tower's footprint below street level. That report also identified developer L&L Holding Co.'s desire to immediately begin constructing a new building at 425 Park Ave.

In the wake of the vote, civic groups continued to voice their opposition to the midtown east plan. The Municipal Art Society announced it would protest the plan with state Sens. Brad Hoylman and Liz Krueger, seven community boards and others on the steps of City Hall Tuesday and call on the City Council to reject the rezoning. As the local council member, Dan Garodnick is negotiating for more amendments, and argued Monday that the latest modifications by the commission fell short of what is needed.

"While some important changes were made, for the most part they were minor adjustments, and this proposal still remains incomplete," the councilman said in a statement. "While east midtown’s commercial buildings have gotten older, and deserve a zoning change to encourage modernization, the area also demands urgent infrastructure investment and sound planning. Any proposal must be a complete package in addressing the various needs of this area."

The council has 50 days to act on the plan.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 10:02 PM   #529
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awesome, this news is worthy of a dancing banana.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 10:19 PM   #530
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Great i hope this will be over 450m, and 425 about 325-350m!, if we're lucky.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 10:56 PM   #531
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Developer for 1 Vanderbilt and 425 PA to get the green light!

Midtown east rezoning gets crucial OK

The City Planning Commission voted in favor of the controversial midtown east rezoning after agreeing to allow some developers to start construction of projects sooner, as long as the developer promises transit upgrades.

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...TATE/130939991
Great news!

This is a crucial step for New York regarding future skyscraper / supertall development. So glad the CPC voted yes.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 11:06 PM   #532
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Old September 30th, 2013, 11:46 PM   #533
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Heck yes! A win for New York's commercial market. About time!
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Old October 1st, 2013, 01:06 AM   #534
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Finally! 2 new ~350m + supertalls for New York!
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: This location is so perfect for tenants. The true heart of Midtown. No doubt it, like Chrysler, will be occupied almost completely.
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So this is in App[roved] status now right?
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: This location is so perfect for tenants. The true heart of Midtown. No doubt it, like Chrysler, will be occupied almost completely.
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This and 425 Park will have zero issues getting tenants. This site could not be more prime.
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The zoning still requires City Council vote... so I'd hold the dancing banana until after that... still this is a big step forward!
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This and 425 Park will have zero issues getting tenants. This site could not be more prime.
That's why both towers should be built as tall as possible.
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