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Old October 8th, 2013, 04:49 AM   #561
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Dimension I believe are between 200'x200' (typical Manhattan block is 200'x600')

Max FAR by right I believe was 10-12 & can go to 21.4 around GCT area (It is the slide that says "Proposed Density Increase" in the presentation) Yes I believe it is 30.0 under the rezoning but I've heard rumors that it may be 35.0

Development rights I can't speak on, those types of things are closely guarded due to financials. But there will be improvements to transit & public plazas which is great in that area which is heavily congestion. I believe the addition of residential is gonna amp things up.

Read the zoning on NYC Planning, its all there.
Hmm. If the model on the previous page is 1 Vanderbilt, I'm not sure this tower is going to be spectacularly tall as some here expect, even with the enormous FAR the site offers. The tower's footprint seems to occupy a significant portion of the site all the way up its ~72 floors. While the crown is easily worth 15 floors of additional height, if the model is reliable, and even with 18 feet between each floor, base to spire, I don't think 1. Vanderbilt will go over 1,600 feet. Heck, it might not even reach 1,550.
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Old October 8th, 2013, 04:55 AM   #562
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The time has come (Well these have been around for awhile now so I finally decided to join the City)

I was at this great presentation! The first 20+ min are ALL about One Vanderbilt Ave; if you wanna see the design & then some, this is the place to look.


Base & Full model at KPF office
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http://distilleryimage5.s3.amazonaws...0ae80c97_7.jpg

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Old October 8th, 2013, 04:55 AM   #563
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I don't think that this tower will exceed 1250'.
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Old October 8th, 2013, 04:59 AM   #564
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Great to see this tower in more detail, however I'm not really enthralled with 1 Vanderbilt Place design. Something about the top. It seems to me the developer and KPF are pretty much set with the look of this tower. IMO, not iconic enough but it's not bad.

1 Vandy in the heart of the city should be iconic and KPF and SL Green should strive to make this the most iconic in the city or at least in the same ball league as Empire State Building. I do believe this will be iconic in a way what it will be doing down at street level and underground of the GC district and I'm very pleased the architects are thinking this way. Striving to give the Rockefeller Center experience just as what is being created in the Hudson Yards.

What I do like is the sheer size of this tower. It looks enormous in height and in width. The observation deck is great too. We will have a healthy option to view Manhattan as this will be 1 of 5 towers to give people a different vantage point of the city.
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Old October 8th, 2013, 05:07 AM   #565
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I don't think that this tower will exceed 1250'.
With the spire?

I'll be happy in the 1,350. -1,450 ft range.
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Old October 8th, 2013, 05:13 AM   #566
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Great! If you look at the model to the right shows some chinese proposals to the lef of it is the south tower of the hudson yards, if its to scale it looks almost double as tall as the south tower.
There's no way that's to scale.
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Old October 8th, 2013, 05:16 AM   #567
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With the spire?

I'll be happy in the 1,350. -1,450 ft range.
Me too, its a good sign this will be tall when they're looking for inspiration from things like SWFC, the Chow Tai Fook in Guangzhou etc.

I think this will be a lovely tower.
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Old October 8th, 2013, 06:58 AM   #568
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Here's an attempt to draw a line from the top of the Chrysler Building's spire (1,046 feet) to 1 Vanderbilt in the render (making the line parallel to the floor of the latter structure). It looks like there's probably 300 feet or so of 1 Vanderbilt above the line.



Of course, we don't know if this render still reflects the design or approximate size of the proposed tower.

BTW, in the photo of the models in KFP, 1 Vanderbilt is on a very thick platform compared to the Coach Tower model, so even if the two models are to the same scale, the relative heights would be off.
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Old October 9th, 2013, 02:15 AM   #569
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This tower looks awesome!
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Old October 9th, 2013, 06:00 PM   #570
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Revealed: KPF’s Towering One Vanderbilt
http://newyorkyimby.com/2013/10/reve...derbilt.html/1

NYNimby brings up a point about the latest proposed change in the zoning that would allow residential spaces into projects that would allow the towers to go much taller.

The residential effect it may have if incorporated into 1 Vandy, is the possibility that the developer may choose to forgo the observation deck. The reason being is the ultra wealthy residents may be adverse to having streams of tourist at their doorstep entering in and out of the premises. I would agree with this assessment.

The deck is my favorite feature of the proposed tower, I'm just wishing for a better design at the top with the spire as it seems a little off for me. I just hope the developer can find a solution to still have an observation deck with the residential element, although imo it's a good problem to have if you can go much taller.

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Two of the three crowns flow seamlessly from the east and west facades. It's hard to follow that just from the close-up.
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With already a few 400 meter towers built or U/C it would be cool if this monster hits 500.
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Old October 9th, 2013, 10:28 PM   #573
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It's just occurred to me that NYC could have as many as 5 of these "supertall corridors" in the next decade. 57th, 42nd, 34th, Park Ave and Hudson Blvd. Skylines within skylines. Pardon my french, but that's ******* crazy.
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6 if you call Greenwich Street a corridor w/ Towers 1,2,3 & 4 (near supertall)

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Old October 10th, 2013, 04:01 AM   #575
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I like this plan for Vanderbilt with the water features, etc.

http://untappedcities.com/2013/08/19...estrian-plaza/
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I like this plan for Vanderbilt with the water features, etc. http://untappedcities.com/2013/08/19...estrian-plaza/
Yup it's really nice. Hope they make it exactly like that.

IMO, Vanderbilt has been a waste of a street.

I'm loving all the pedestrian plaza's/ parks being created with all these major developments.

From WTC memorial plaza, Hudson blvd park & Phase 2 Park, Hudson Yards plaza, Manhattan West Plaza, 616 1st Ave Park and finally the Vanderbilt Plaza.

I hope this trend continues.
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Wow another supertall for NYC!! im sure this building will be over 400 meters tall! NYC is booming!
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New Views, Details for KPF's Midtown Giant One Vanderbilt
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/1...vanderbilt.php

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Late last year, developer SL Green tapped mega-firm Kohn Pedersen Fox to design an iconic skyscraper for Midtown East, and based on some new renderings spotted by NY YIMBY, it looks like One Vanderbilt is well on its way. Try to see around the blurriness—the images were pulled from a lengthy presentation delivered at the Center for Architecture this summer—and take away the following facts.

1) The tower, located just west of Grand Central on Vanderbilt Avenue between 42nd and 43rd streets, is going to be tall, likely approaching the 1,500-foot mark. Just look at its height in relation to the Chrysler and MetLife buildings. 2) The angular apex of the 1.55-million-square-foot skyscraper, a refreshing departure from typical tapered tops with antennae, is reminiscent of Hudson Yards' architecture, which makes sense given KPF's masterminding role over there. 3) KPF's James von Klemperer envisions it as a "Grand Central West," with lots of pedestrian access to the transit hub. The area's imminent rezoning will allow greater density and traffic to the neighborhood, and KPF's plan includes a large, open public space at the base.
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At the moment, the crown of One Vanderbilt is meant to be accessible to the public. But when if the rezoning passes, NY YIMBY notes, the building could get even taller, and residential development would be allowed, which might get in the way of the best-laid plans for a public observatory. In short, what we see from these renderings may not be what actually get built, but it's a taste of a major Midtown player on the horizon.









Images from Robert Walpole's post above detailing the pedestrian plaza at Vanderbilt Avenue:
http://untappedcities.com/2013/08/19...estrian-plaza/












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Old October 11th, 2013, 02:40 AM   #579
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New Views, Details for KPF's Midtown Giant One Vanderbilt
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/1...vanderbilt.php

The tower, located just west of Grand Central on Vanderbilt Avenue between 42nd and 43rd streets, is going to be tall, likely approaching the 1,500-foot mark. Just look at its height in relation to the Chrysler and MetLife buildings. 2) The angular apex of the 1.55-million-square-foot skyscraper
A tower approaching 1550 with 1.55 m sq ft will not be a hefty tower as it appears in the renders and the model.

In comparison, the Nordstrom Tower at 1500 ft has about 1.2 m sq ft and we where all saying it's not going to be massive.
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Sorry for my ignorance

Is 1 Vanderbilt supposed to replace the tower below circled in red? Was that just a placeholder design? To be honest I prefer the below tower (it seems more sultry and classy whereas this one is subdued and proper) to the newly released rendeers. Regardless though, this new design is nice and another supertall to the tally doesn't hurt

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