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Old November 11th, 2013, 06:12 PM   #741
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I hope so or it will be three or four years at least that we see anything done in the area.
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Old November 11th, 2013, 10:06 PM   #742
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I know how the City Council works. This will pass.
Clearly, you don't, if you think this can pass without Dan Garodnick's support. (I do think it will get his support and pass, but you seem to be missing the point.)
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Old November 11th, 2013, 10:21 PM   #743
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The more I look at this tower and how it may pierce the skyline along side the Empire State and Chrysler buildings, the less I like this. Its like a bad rip off of the Bank of America tower. A classic majestic tower could be here, hopefully designs are changed a little.
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Old November 11th, 2013, 11:11 PM   #744
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I would agree. However, art deco style (such as the Empire State) are sort of "old-style" and not in our time period.
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Old November 11th, 2013, 11:21 PM   #745
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I would agree. However, art deco style (such as the Empire State) are sort of "old-style" and not in our time period.
It doesn't necessarily have to be art deco, I'd like to see a Pin Ang version rise up, with a few more setbacks at the top. Just the general shape of this building doesnt impress me.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 05:12 AM   #746
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FAR rights in New York are based on Gross Floor Area rather than Gross Leaseable Area, right?
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Old November 12th, 2013, 08:52 PM   #747
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FAR rights in New York are based on Gross Floor Area rather than Gross Leaseable Area, right?
Yes, however mechanical space does not count toward FAR.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 09:30 PM   #748
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It doesn't necessarily have to be art deco, I'd like to see a Pin Ang version rise up, with a few more setbacks at the top. Just the general shape of this building doesnt impress me.
You've got to see the building in context, surrounded by neighboring structures, before you start judging.

Lots of buildings look weird when rendered on their own, in some empty space. But these clever architects mould their designs to fit into a landscape. A man made landscape, but a landscape nonetheless.

I think it is a design tailor made for a dense, vertical space. It has a clutter free middle and architectural interest on top, where its most visible.

As always, cladding can make or break a simple geometric design. I think some tinted glass, perhaps even a highly reflective surface, will help it immensely.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 01:10 AM   #749
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Re: Midtown East Rezoning

This will pass but may take a little longer

From Dan Garodick and Quinn (joint statement)

http://council.nyc.gov/html/pr/111213midtown.shtml
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Old November 13th, 2013, 03:27 AM   #750
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Maybe they will build a smaller version???
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Old November 13th, 2013, 03:35 AM   #751
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Re: Midtown East Rezoning

This will pass but may take a little longer

From Dan Garodick and Quinn (joint statement)

http://council.nyc.gov/html/pr/111213midtown.shtml
Sad day for New York City. Given the trajectory of politics lately, I see a substantially smaller likelihood of this getting passed in the next administration. Particularly with the NIMBY-loving Gale Brewer as borough president in power, they will probably enact a height limit of 800 feet or something stupid.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 04:08 AM   #752
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Sad day for New York City. Given the trajectory of politics lately, I see a substantially smaller likelihood of this getting passed in the next administration. Particularly with the NIMBY-loving Gale Brewer as borough president in power, they will probably enact a height limit of 800 feet or something stupid.
I think it is pure politics as of now. developers if they are interested in this place should find a way to make fathers of the city more accommodating to be able to build high! Given the latest election cycle maybe it is wise to offer to build more affordable living as a bargain for more air rights. I am sure De Blazio and the rest of the gang will listen carefully since it is in their interests to deliver on their promises and thus extend their career.
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I'm bummed and frankly surprised Goradick decided to delay this. This will be approved eventually obviously under Deblasio's admin as he would want this to be his legacy. The problem is this will not be high on the priority once he takes office. This will be back on the table late 2014 I'm afraid & passed then.

I like the current proposal that is on the table for allowing housing in this zone, but affordable housing cannot & should not be an issue here in this zone for the next administration. This is NYC main business district and it should not be converted into a residential neighborhood.

Goradick is a dick. Pardon my French!

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Old November 13th, 2013, 05:19 AM   #754
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This will pass. Garodnick just wanted to irk Bloomie.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 05:36 AM   #755
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This will pass. Garodnick just wanted to irk Bloomie.
Not being a smart ass but what do you mean this will pass? Bloomberg already pulled it off the table.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 05:47 AM   #756
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Di Blasio already stated that he supports rezoning and will present a revised plan. It may provide a higher price for air rights, and it may landmark more structures, which would be a good thing.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 05:59 AM   #757
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Hopefully any delay won't be a long one, and the development isn't pushed to the end of the decade. Landmarking should be not be used as a tactic to significantly hand cuff developers. However developers also shouldn't get away with highway robbery in getting far more favorable rates than the market would actually warrant, paying more in air rights would be a justifiable concession the city would want to include in a revised plan.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 06:28 AM   #758
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Di Blasio already stated that he supports rezoning and will present a revised plan. It may provide a higher price for air rights, and it may landmark more structures, which would be a good thing.
DeBlasio may support it, but I would not be surprised if Gale Brewer blocked it. At this point, its by no means is a certainty (as much as I would like it to be).

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Hopefully any delay won't be a long one, and the development isn't pushed to the end of the decade. Landmarking should be not be used as a tactic to significantly hand cuff developers. However developers also shouldn't get away with highway robbery in getting far more favorable rates than the market would actually warrant, paying more in air rights would be a justifiable concession the city would want to include in a revised plan.
It likely won't be as high on the agenda as providing affordable housing, and a whole host of other ideas that DeBlasio is looking to implement.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 07:01 AM   #759
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Just to throw this out there many other cities in the world have built beautiful supertalls and and large skyscrapers; while supporting robust public housing programs. So I do not believe that all hope is lost.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 07:38 AM   #760
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Di Blasio already stated that he supports rezoning and will present a revised plan. It may provide a higher price for air rights, and it may landmark more structures, which would be a good thing.
Agreed, this will be passed and maybe it will be a good thing in the long run. Ironically, Di Blasio's plan may ultimately be more ambitious.
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