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Old November 14th, 2013, 01:57 PM   #781
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This block doesn't look that special to me.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 03:58 PM   #782
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I'm puzzled, is this now a stale proposal?
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Old November 14th, 2013, 04:05 PM   #783
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Old November 14th, 2013, 04:10 PM   #784
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Old November 14th, 2013, 04:28 PM   #785
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This is just the beginning. With de Blasio in office we'll be lucky to see another 400m+ project come to fruition. This guy is a hardcore leftist, serving Union workers wherever he can. I predict that building costs in New York will increase significantly, so it won't be profitable to build that tall anymore.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/14/ny...nyregion&_r=1&

Future Unclear for Towers on East Side
By CHARLES V BAGLI
Published: November 13, 2013

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Mr. Garodnick said that a third potential project, a large skyscraper on an entire block just east of Grand Central, was “exactly” the kind of building one would want next to the city’s transit hub. That is where SL Green Realty, one of the city’s largest commercial landlords, planned to build a 65-story, 1.6 million-square-foot tower under the Bloomberg zoning proposal.

The tower, called 1 Vanderbilt, would rise about 1,200 feet above 42nd Street, 150 feet taller than the Chrysler Building.After the city withdrew its rezoning plan, Marc Holliday, chief executive of SL Green, said he welcomed the “growing consensus that there is an urgent need for modern office buildings in Midtown and the transit infrastructure to support them.”

He added in a statement that he would work with the new mayor and Mr. Garodnick. But during an interview on Friday, Mr. Holliday said that he would not go forward with the Vanderbilt building unless he got the development rights offered under Mr. Bloomberg’s now-scuttled proposal.Last year, the company did design a 40-story, 1.2-million-square-foot tower for the same site..

But now, he said, a smaller tower “will not work economically; it’s unfeasible at today’s rents and cost structure.”

It remains to be seen whether that is his bargaining position or his bottom line.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 04:38 PM   #786
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This is also in ^ article.

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Mr. Garodnick said that a third potential project, a large skyscraper on an entire block just east of Grand Central, was “exactly” the kind of building one would want next to the city’s transit hub. That is where SL Green Realty, one of the city’s largest commercial landlords, planned to build a 65-story, 1.6 million-square-foot tower under the Bloomberg zoning proposal.
I would relax. Garodick said himself this is the kind of tower to be built near grand central. He supports this and De Blasio said he wants the midtown east rezoning as well. They both support a taller newer district, but wants to iron out air rights pricing. Garodick will pass this under the incoming administration.

De Blasio and Garodick just want this as their legacy subtracting Bloomie from the equation and credit.

This is not a dead or stale project. I for one is not worried.

Just pissed this is delayed.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 04:51 PM   #787
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This is a statement from Gale Brewer in regard to the re zoning. Seems like she is on board with this as well. Details just needs to be ironed out better.

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"And Councilwoman and Manhattan Borough President-elect Gale Brewer who has had concerns about the proposal said, "I hope that next year all stakeholders are at the table to discuss all aspects of East Midtown. It is my firm belief that we can still achieve the primary purpose of the plan put forth by the Bloomberg Administration, but in a way that takes into account all of the perspectives of the many stakeholders who wish to see a better, more viable East Midtown for decades to come."
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Old November 14th, 2013, 06:01 PM   #788
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Hoping we find out sooner rather than later than the new mayor and Garodnick and the rest of the City Council, as well as SL Green, will be able to find a nice compromise that indeed will get the ball still rolling by 2015 for a jump start to this most impressive tower project.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 06:43 PM   #789
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I just hope that if this building will be built in the end it won't be a mere 1 200 feet
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Old November 14th, 2013, 07:01 PM   #790
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I always assumed that it would be between 1,100 and 1,250'.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 07:04 PM   #791
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This is just the beginning. With de Blasio in office we'll be lucky to see another 400m+ project come to fruition. This guy is a hardcore leftist, serving Union workers wherever he can. I predict that building costs in New York will increase significantly, so it won't be profitable to build that tall anymore.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/14/ny...nyregion&_r=1&

Future Unclear for Towers on East Side
By CHARLES V BAGLI
Published: November 13, 2013
Where does that quote say anything about DeBlasio? DeBlasio favors the Midtown Rezoning and even argued that the transferring of air rights law was too narrow. He's a progressive, big deal...so is 80% of the City Council under Bloomberg. The City Council is 92% Democrat or Socialist and that's been the case for decades and skyscrapers and supertalls still get/got approved all the time I don't get the sudden mania about DeBlasio destroying New York.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 08:20 PM   #792
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I'm not quite sure why people are so up in arms about the plan being pushed back considering, Deblasio himself as well as all the councilmen involved clearly stated that they WILL revive it next year. Besides even if you don't take their words for it, and you're concerned over DeBlasio's left leaning ways, those same views will mean more building being built in the city. One have to understand that in order for him to reach his goals of more affordable housing an infrastucture improvement, he will need to get as much as he can from developers and he can't do that with them holding out and building less in the city; in fact he's gonna need developers to be more active so he can get more out of them in order to reach his goals. And as far as the rezoning goes, we might end up with and even better deal as hotels will be included, meaning developers will be able to build bigger or at least build more. You can read his own words:

http://www.businessinsider.com/get-r...k-city-2013-11

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To the untrained ear, de Blasio has run as a critic of developers, complaining that too many "luxury condos" are going up in New York. But he has also been clear that more development is a key to growing the city's economy and addressing the affordability crisis. And while many of the city's business elites are freaking out about de Blasio's "class warfare," he's maintained good links with (and raised a lot of money from) the real estate industry.

Last summer, de Blasio gave a speech to NYU's Wagner School of Public Service on fostering economic development in New York City. The speech is worth reading in full, but it's especially interesting for de Blasio's strong pro-development bias:

First and foremost, when given the choice to grow or to sit idle, we need to grow and we have to be aggressive about it. There are factors beyond our control — economic conditions, bureaucratic interference from afar — that can kill good projects. The things I value as a progressive — good jobs and affordable housing — cannot happen if projects stall or never materialize. If we aren’t doing everything possible as a City government to spur on development, even if valid compromises are included, we risk nothing getting built at all, and that is the worst possible outcome.
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In a July economic policy speech, Mr. de Blasio said promoting significant new development while demanding high-paying jobs and affordable housing would create a more equal city, even if it alienates community groups—often pejoratively dubbed NIMBYs.

"We can't afford a process rife with delays, subject to knee-jerk NIMBYism and tangled in bureaucracy," Mr. de Blasio said.

Mr. de Blasio has said he would shorten the timeline for debate on developments before they enter the formal approval process and promote more neighborhood-wide rezonings, as opposed to forcing developers to seek approval for large new projects individually. Mr. de Blasio, along with others, also supports so-called mandatory inclusionary zoning, requiring affordable units when areas are rezoned.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 08:33 PM   #793
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This is just the beginning. With de Blasio in office we'll be lucky to see another 400m+ project come to fruition. This guy is a hardcore leftist, serving Union workers wherever he can. I predict that building costs in New York will increase significantly, so it won't be profitable to build that tall anymore.
Oh yes, how dare an elected official support people who actually work for a living and not/not just the trust fund babies and Wall St. jackals that make money off their blood and sweat.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 08:58 PM   #794
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Somebody on Curbed made an interesting remark about spot zoning for specific projects like this. That's a process I know literally nothing about, but sounds like it would be a happy-medium alternative to rezoning the entirety of Midtown East. Can anyone shed some light on how that might work, or why it's not being pursued by these developers?
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Old November 15th, 2013, 12:52 AM   #795
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first time I heard of it and I doubt that would come into play.

Everyone in the whole Midtown East Rezoning would want a piece of the pie selling their air rights and have a chance to make $$ and those who have outdated buildings that would like to have the option to re/develop their buildings would want to be included to max the value of their assets and make it more appealing.

The whole Midtown East needs to be rezoned & spot zoning wouldn't work. Anyway, the next administration agrees that this entire zone needs to be upgraded.
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Old November 15th, 2013, 08:15 AM   #797
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I hope that the revised rezoning no longer has 39th St as its southern border. There are too many beautiful buildings south of 42nd St that I would hate to lose.
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Old November 15th, 2013, 08:32 AM   #798
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At Governors Island Ceremony, Mayor Bloomberg Comments On Midtown Rezoning Collapse

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There will be a few projects left for Mayor-elect Bill de Blasio to oversee, such as the construction of a promenade atop the soon-to-be-completed seawall, a few final touches to "The Hills" section of the park, which is being built out of repurposed landfill from demolished buildings from the island's days as a U.S. Army post, as well as some improvements to the southern end of the island. "There is work still to be done," said Ronay Menschel, chair of the Trust for Governors Island. It will be up to Mr. de Blasio to decide whether to bring more development to the island, be it housing, academic or commercial projects, as some have suggested.

Mr. Bloomberg, meanwhile, also addressed the recent collapse of his administration's bid to rezone a vast swatch of midtown east in Manhattan. "It was a great project," he said. "Cities that don't keep redeveloping fall by the wayside—there's just no question about that."

He expressed concern that New York could fall behind other global cities like London if it failed to upgrade its building stock, and noted that funding for transit improvements around Grand Central Terminal was "desperately needed."

"I'm sorry it didn't get done," he added. "It's a shame this one didn't get done. And I have absolutely no idea about the future."

Mr. de Blasio has committed to putting forward his own plan to rezone midtown east by the end of 2014. Asked whether he had spoken to his successor since their first post-election meeting at City Hall, Mr. Bloomberg said they had not. Their staffs are in communication, though, and space has been provided at City Hall for the transition team, he said.

"He's on vacation last time I checked," the mayor said—despite having sat next to Mr. de Blasio during a Veterans Day ceremony on Monday. "Is he back?"
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I wonder if that spire on the One Vanderbilt would be included in the proposed 1,200 ft height.
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