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Old December 10th, 2013, 11:32 PM   #841
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I would like to see a few more towers built with concrete, brick, limestone, marble.... glass is really nice but imagine a few more Empire State Buildings, Chrysler Buildings, Woolworth Buildings, several more in the Lower Manhattan area now being converted from office to residential. Glass will dominate but real construction still is the best. Though it's not a supertall that's why I love the 937 feet Four Seasons Tower being built on Park and Church.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 12:00 AM   #842
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Yea, you know what I would love to see?

Robert AM Stern has couple 900 + foot tall, skinny residential projects, but I would love to see him work on a supertall 1.5 + m sf commercial tower anywhere in the city, preferably in midtown or around FiDi. I would love to see what he could do with that.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 01:52 PM   #843
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I think the base is the best part of the building and definitely worth conserving.

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Old December 11th, 2013, 01:56 PM   #844
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Unfortunately, the whole block will be razed.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 02:32 PM   #845
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I say



To 1 Vanderbilt in place of this landmark.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 04:24 PM   #846
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I absolutely agree, the demolition of this landmark should only be justified if the design of 1 Vanderbilt proves to be decent enough. We already lost one of New York's many classy buildings, the Drake Hotel, so a 400m+ stick for millionares can rise up there. God, how much I hate 432 Park Ave.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 09:50 PM   #847
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I absolutely agree, the demolition of this landmark should only be justified if the design of 1 Vanderbilt proves to be decent enough. We already lost one of New York's many classy buildings, the Drake Hotel, so a 400m+ stick for millionares can rise up there. God, how much I hate 432 Park Ave.
I think a good solution to the problem would be to landmark every structure built before WW2, and rezone the west side and Midtown East for much larger FARs.

To me, there's no reason why the West Side shouldn't be able to build as large as possible. Unlimited FAR. It would solve housing issues and supply our office market for decades to come. People will complain about density and traffic, but it's NYC. It's the world capital. If you don't like traffic and density, head to Jersey or Ohio.

This structure is as good as gone, though. I just hope we can save things like the Postum Building and The Roosevelt before it's too late.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 10:06 PM   #848
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Not EVERYTHING built before WWII is worth saving, though most of it is. I haven't seen many structures built since then in the New York area worth saving.... I don't know wtf happened with architecture until fairly recently, but even then most everything is glass this, glass that. Why they have to raze that building, I don't know...didn't know that was the 1 Vanderbilt site. I'm absolutely NOT one of those NIMBY's... love towers and in such a densely populated city the only way to really go in the future is up. But so many sites worthier to build on than an architectural gem... I'll never be able to see Madison Square Garden anymore in the same light without envisioning the magnificence of the old Penn Station. Penn Plaza tower could be razed for all I care, it's tall but hideous. No more building on property occupied by true architectural gems, however. I like Lowkey's suggestion though they have to make sure the infrastructure can handle it, and that there's strong anti flooding protection along the West Side waterfront. Leave the heart of old New York alone though, and build elsewhere.

1 Vanderbilt had better be worth it.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 10:28 PM   #849
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To me, there's no reason why the West Side shouldn't be able to build as large as possible. Unlimited FAR.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 10:33 PM   #850
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How about building on top, like Hearst? Is that a structural possibility here (with proper modifications, of course)?
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Old December 12th, 2013, 12:55 AM   #851
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I don't think that this building will get approved for construction. The unusual color, and the demolition of a beautiful building will increase the chance of the building not to be built.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 01:02 AM   #852
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Old December 12th, 2013, 01:41 AM   #853
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I don't think that this building will get approved for construction. The unusual color, and the demolition of a beautiful building will increase the chance of the building not to be built.
Those are not considerations. This will be razed, and the new tower will rise.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 10:42 AM   #854
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The existing structure can always be deconstructed in ways that save architectural elements but it will give way.





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Old December 12th, 2013, 12:04 PM   #855
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I'm not a fan of the brick facade, but what about taking those architectural elements down, then once the buildings been raised have them be built in with the new building

Has there ever been a modern 21st century glass skyscraper with old decorative features and windows and such been put into the design? (and I'm not on about keeping the whole base or whatever to be built into the building which has been seen quite a few times recently)
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Old December 12th, 2013, 12:34 PM   #856
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The overwhelming majority of pre-WWII structures in Manhattan remain preserved outside of Midtown (42nd St to 59th). There obviously are still a lot of pre-War structures in Midtown too, though some of them (like this one) and the MTA HQ will clearly come down soon.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 04:29 PM   #857
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I don't think that this building will get approved for construction. The unusual color, and the demolition of a beautiful building will increase the chance of the building not to be built.
I don't think a color can make the decision to build it or not. It's not pink.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 05:00 PM   #858
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Design is wonderful!

Maybe they can use old building's stone parts in interior design.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 05:53 PM   #859
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Preserve the base at least. Bringing that down would be stupid.
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Old December 12th, 2013, 07:44 PM   #860
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The entire structure will be razed for 1 Vandy. The base of the new tower will be incorporated with Grand Central Station below and integrated with the new Vanderbilt Plaza.

A lot will be riding on this tower because this will be considered the anchor of the whole Midtown East Rezoning and the spark plug to ignite the upgrade of infrastructure and improvement in this district.

De Blasio, Goradnick & Brewer all have announced that they fully support the Midtown Rezoning (They just want a tweaked version under their administration and part of their legacy to NY) and more specifically THIS tower. This tower is definitely rising.
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