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Old June 10th, 2014, 11:39 PM   #1121
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It's been a while since I've visited this thread, but this is one of my favorite projects and I'm thrilled to see it back in the news.
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Old June 17th, 2014, 05:13 PM   #1122
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From newyorkyimby today. New Details for One Vanderbilt

New Details: One Vanderbilt Vies for Title of Midtown’s Tallest

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Per illustrations, One Vanderbilt’s rooftop will measure 1,350 feet, while its ultimate pinnacle looks to stand approximately 1,450′ above 42nd Street; the latter number would place the building as the second tallest structure in New York City, behind One World Trade Center. Pending adjustments, an additional foot would put the skyscraper ahead of Chicago’s Willis Tower, making it the second-tallest building in the Western Hemisphere.
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Old June 17th, 2014, 05:40 PM   #1123
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411m roof height or 442m pinnacle!

This keeps on getting better!

Also I have no worries about the crown area now as the proportions looks a lot better than the previous render due to the perspective!

Here's a bad mockup of One Vanderbilt, using the image above in the skyscraperpage diagrams, I have also sorted the buildings into the right places based upon these new heights:

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Old June 17th, 2014, 06:25 PM   #1124
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442m sounds nice! 2m more and it would beat the Sears Tower
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Old June 17th, 2014, 06:30 PM   #1125
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Excellent news.

I'm not normally one for sticking big exaggerated spires onto things, but I think this one needs to be more than 100 ft. -- it's pretty stubby. Something closer to 250 ft. would put it in better proportion with the rest of the tower. (Also, I really wish they'd center it...)

And of course, a roof height to beat One WTC and Sears would be preferable... but this is likely the first of many, so I'll be happy either way.
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Old June 17th, 2014, 06:36 PM   #1126
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Sweet! I just died and went to skyscraper heaven!

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Old June 17th, 2014, 06:54 PM   #1127
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I wonder if the observation deck is still planned.

According to Yimby, this tower will have a total of 1.8 msf
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Old June 17th, 2014, 07:22 PM   #1128
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^ crains mentions the public space in this article:
http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...ssive-rezoning
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Old June 17th, 2014, 07:37 PM   #1129
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Shvotastic!

Shvo tuned for even bigger news! Supertall fans in NY are being spoiled by multiple Shvogasms!!
Stop the awful pun please
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Old June 17th, 2014, 08:32 PM   #1130
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I wonder if the observation deck is still planned.

According to Yimby, this tower will have a total of 1.8 msf
Put a restaurant up there instead.
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Old June 17th, 2014, 08:33 PM   #1131
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I wonder if the observation deck is still planned.

According to Yimby, this tower will have a total of 1.8 msf
i'm sure they wouldn't miss out on the opportunity of having an observation deck smack dab in midtown, offering a view looking down upon the Chrysler Building. Top of the What???
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Old June 17th, 2014, 08:42 PM   #1132
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I believe in the ground floor diagram Yimby posted, the "entrance to amenity" is intended as the entrance to the observation floors:



It'll be a huge moneymaker. All the previous iterations have called for several floors within the glass crown dedicated to the observation deck, so it's not hard to imagine some of them being used for a restaurant, ballroom, etc., much like the top of 30 Hudson Yards.
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Old June 17th, 2014, 09:10 PM   #1133
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I believe in the ground floor diagram Yimby posted, the "entrance to amenity" is intended as the entrance to the observation floors:
Could be the subway connection.
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Old June 17th, 2014, 09:13 PM   #1134
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But "Subway Access" is the orange space directly adjacent to the west. I have to think they're different colors to delineate their different uses. Anybody have any further insight into this?
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Old June 17th, 2014, 09:14 PM   #1135
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Couldn't 'public access' also be observation entry?
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Old June 17th, 2014, 09:55 PM   #1136
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Being a commercial tower instead of a private residential one, it would with that kind of height make sense that there indeed still will be a public rooftop observation deck.
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Old June 17th, 2014, 11:17 PM   #1137
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http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/env_...erbilt/eas.pdf

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PROPOSED ONE VANDERBILT BUILDING
317 Madison intends, under the proposed actions, to construct a 30 FAR, approximately 67-story commercial tower containing approximately 1.8 million gsf of space (the “proposed One Vanderbilt building”) would be built. The commercial program for the proposed One Vanderbilt building is expected to include the following components:
approximately 1,079,000 square feet of office space, approximately 246,000 square feet of trading floors, approximately 53,000 square feet of retail, approximately 27,000 square feet of restaurant space, and approximately 55,000 square feet of rooftop amenity space, which may include tenant amenity space, restaurant space, and a public observation deck. This expected program would also include approximately 343,500 square feet of space for circulation, mechanical, core, back of house, and loading uses. The building would have two levels below grade: the first level would connect to the pedestrian circulation network serving Grand Central Terminal and the second level would contain a loading dock accessible from East 43rd Street via two truck elevators. It is proposed that most of the new retail space would be located along Madison Avenue at grade, with possible additional retail space on the second floor and on the first below grade level.
The building design, which is currently being finalized, would have a tapered form that reaches an approximate height of 1,350 feet to the top of the building structure with a spire above (see Figure 13). The proposed height reflects floor to floor heights on the office floors averaging 14.5 feet and the floor to floor heights of the trading floors averaging 20 feet combined with average mechanical floor heights of 30 feet and a building crown In addition to the rooftop amenity space, the building would provide several unique public amenities including: below grade transit connections to the subway; system and Grand Central Terminal along East 42nd Street; an approximately 4,500 square foot enclosed public space fronting on East 43rd Street and Vanderbilt Avenue; and an angled building podium that would provide views of Grand Central Terminal on East 42nd Street (see Figures 14, 15A, and 15B).
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7. Physical Dimensions and Scale of Project(if the project affects multiple sites, provide the total development below facilitated by the action)
SIZE OF PROJECT TO BE DEVELOPED (gross square feet):1,808,000 gsf*
NUMBER OF BUILDINGS:1*
GROSS FLOOR AREA OF EACH BUILDING (sq. ft.):1,808,000 gsf*
HEIGHT OF EACH BUILDING (ft):1,350feet to top of building structure*
NUMBER OF STORIES OF EACH BUILDING: +/-67*
they're shooting for a 2021 opening, so we're in for a long wait before construction. Demolition will likely begin early next year if they keep to this long term schedule.

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ANTICIPATED PERIOD OF CONSTRUCTION IN MONTHS: 69 (18 for demolition, 54 for construction), completed in 2020*
*insert joke here*
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Old June 17th, 2014, 11:40 PM   #1138
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Good find. I think page 14 of the first document can answer any questions about the amenity space in question, it does seem like it's for access to the rooftop.
With all the actions from the city, you might as well book this one as being u/c, tho it likely won't be finished till 2020.
That along with the height bump and I'm getting excited about this one, it will sure dominate midtown south, more so than the ESB at that height.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/env_...scope_work.pdf

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/env_...erbilt/eas.pdf
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Old June 17th, 2014, 11:52 PM   #1139
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Observation Deck info from planning docs.. thanks to NYguy on SSP


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Which may include tenant amenity space, restaurant space, and public observation deck
Thanks! I'm sure they will have an OD as it's such a money maker for a building. SLGreen would not/ should not pass that up.

Also, in that document it kind of answered my question as to how they plan to increase the sq footage from 1.6msf to 1.8msf which probably affords this to have an height increase.

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The proposed One Vanderbilt building would also support the maintenance of nearby historic resources. The special permit allowing the transfer of development rights from the Bowery Savings Bank to the development site requires commitment to a continuing maintenance program for the Bowery Savings Bank that is approved by the Landmarks Preservation Commission (LPC).
The Vanderbilt Corridor


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OTHER VANDERBILT CORRIDOR SITES
The conceptual analysis will assume that the:

MTA-owned portion of Block 1279 and Block 1281 in the Vanderbilt Corridor could each be redeveloped with a commercial building of 30 FAR by 2033, as noted above.

Therefore, the 25,051-square-foot MTA-owned portion of Block 1279 could be redeveloped with 751,530 zsf of commercial space (939,412 gsf, assuming a standard gross factor of 1.25), and the 43,313-square-foot Block 1281 could be redeveloped with 1,299,390 zsf of commercial space (1,624,237 gsf, assuming a standard gross factor of 1.25).

In addition, it is assumed that the 162,330-square-foot building at 52 Vanderbilt Avenue on Block 1279 (Lot 45) would remain at its current built form but would utilize the special permit for hotel use to allow the conversion of the structure from predominately
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