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Old July 9th, 2014, 10:27 PM   #1161
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A 10 minute hatchet job I did showing what this may look at on the skyline:

(Original Photo Credit: Jose Tutiven)

Look on how much it dwarfs Chrysler building that is at the same line a little bit on the left....

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Old July 9th, 2014, 10:43 PM   #1162
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The only thing that irks me is the plaza, needs trees or something.
I'd wager there will be plenty of greenery, but they're not including it in the renders so we can get a clear picture of the base.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 10:48 PM   #1163
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Pity the tower gets so slender at the top. This part of midtown needs a large standout tall roof to balance out the skyline.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 10:58 PM   #1164
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Look on how much it dwarfs Chrysler building that is at the same line a little bit on the left....
the skyline will be west heavy with regards to skyscraper density in the next decade it seems
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Old July 9th, 2014, 11:02 PM   #1165
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The West will definitely be developed first, but once the new Midtown East rezoning is sorted out, that trend will shift. The twenty-teens look to be the decade of the Westside, but the 2020s should see the rise of the East.
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Old July 9th, 2014, 11:15 PM   #1166
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Pity the tower gets so slender at the top. This part of midtown needs a large standout tall roof to balance out the skyline.
Yes, i was thinking something similar. It seems there is really a race of 'thins' that is now happening. With each of them rising, everybody emphasize dramatic change of skyline that is to occure. But i post a question what will this change really be like? You know, maybe we really need some of the fat guys to make balance as you say. One of those fat guys would have been Vornado tower if it wasn't suspended on demand of ESB owner.....
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Old July 9th, 2014, 11:28 PM   #1167
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You know, maybe we really need some of the fat guys to make balance as you say. One of those fat guys would have been Vornado tower if it wasn't suspended on demand of ESB owner.....
Well, that Vornado tower was voluntarily suspended in order for them to renovate the hotel -- a smart move based on where the office market was at the time.

I would also love to see more thick office towers to balance out all the thin residentials we're seeing. The problem is twofold: 1) At present, residential investment is white hot, and the office market, while still good, doesn't really compare. If you're a developer, there's not a ton of incentive to build office when the opportunity for resi is right there.

2) Office towers will almost always be shorter than their residential counterparts, because they're fat by their nature. They can only stretch their buildable floor area so high, whereas a resi with the same FAR will stretch much much higher because of those small floorplates. Our best bet for seeing a properly girthy, imposing tower that rivals the heights of the resi supertalls, will be a mixed user.

I was actually hoping that SL Green could get it worked out so they could include a residential component in 1 Vanderbilt. It could have been even taller (although, yes, it would have then been even narrower at the top)!
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Old July 9th, 2014, 11:34 PM   #1168
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Vornado tower if it wasn't suspended on demand of ESB owner.....
15 Penn Plaza FYI, had been approved by the city despite the opposition from ESB. The problem is by the time it was approved, it missed the cycle and decided to suspend and renovate the hotel.

Definitely, maybe the next cycle or the one after that we can see something really nice rise there. Hopefully, that would be the super duper tall, Gotham Gateway Spire by SHoP which I think is pretty nice.

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Old July 10th, 2014, 09:59 PM   #1169
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WOW, the verticallity of Midtown will be INSANE in a few years. Nothing will be able to compare with it, NOTHING!!!!
Yes, but considering global trend of 600+, 800+ and 1000+ towers it might be a little bit backward and ......short.

(edit: well, i just quoted post from first page assuming i was at the last. dumb me. By the way, looking the picture above, from distance, the shape of One Vanderbilt resembles much alike Empire State. So, maybe it should be changed a bit....?)

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Old July 10th, 2014, 10:09 PM   #1170
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Thinking of any supertall as "short" makes me think you have never seen one in person.
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Old July 10th, 2014, 10:31 PM   #1171
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Thinking of any supertall as "short" makes me think you have never seen one in person.
You are not wrong. The highest building i have ever stood in front is the highest building in my small town. It was built 1k years ago, it's name is Koloman's tower(after king who built it) and it's hight is 78m. But i sow every tall building on Manhattan on Google street....
I am watching WTC1 on Google street every day.

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Old July 10th, 2014, 10:48 PM   #1172
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Haha actually being there is a lot different then looking at it on street view! Street view doesn't give you the real feel of the scale of the buildings. Trust me I have seen the WTC in person and on Google and google really doesn't even compare to the real thing.
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Old July 10th, 2014, 10:56 PM   #1173
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Yup even pictures can't do extremely tall buildings justice. here's to hoping you get to see some really massive buildings in person in the future.
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Old July 10th, 2014, 10:59 PM   #1174
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Haha actually being there is a lot different then looking at it on street view! Street view doesn't give you the real feel of the scale of the buildings. Trust me I have seen the WTC in person and on Google and google really doesn't even compare to the real thing.
Yes, but i have special technique of watching. I close curtains, turn off lights in my room, then i start to meditate.... and i am trying really hard to depict the proportions.
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Old July 10th, 2014, 11:34 PM   #1175
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It's still in two dimensions, dude. Without a sense of parallax, you'll never feel how tall it is (it doesn't have anything to do with thinking hard enough, scale doesn't work the same in photographs because of how our brains are wired). Maybe if you can get your hands on an Oculus Rift... but honestly, you should just put that money towards a trip to New York.
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Streetview is great for examining in detail architectural styles but Yes, it doesn't give your the feel of a skyscraper sitting over your head.

I remember looking up at the twins and feeling dizzy.
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Streetview is great for examining in detail architectural styles but Yes, it doesn't give your the feel of a skyscraper sitting over your head.

I remember looking up at the twins and feeling dizzy.
Same here.
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Old July 11th, 2014, 05:24 PM   #1178
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You are not wrong. The highest building i have ever stood in front is the highest building in my small town. It was built 1k years ago, it's name is Koloman's tower(after king who built it) and it's hight is 78m. But i sow every tall building on Manhattan on Google street....
I am watching WTC1 on Google street every day.

(city of Zadar, Croatia btw.)
I hope you have the opportunity to come to NY some day! My heart still flutters every time I glimpse the skyline... which is every day.
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Old July 11th, 2014, 06:28 PM   #1179
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Streetview is great for examining in detail architectural styles but Yes, it doesn't give your the feel of a skyscraper sitting over your head.

I remember looking up at the twins and feeling dizzy.
You don't even need supertalls for a building to be imposing. Rockefeller Center to me was insanely imposing. Especially from the Prometheus angle.
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You don't even need supertalls for a building to be imposing. Rockefeller Center to me was insanely imposing. Especially from the Prometheus angle.
Interesting. I have seen Rockefeller Center from the "Prometheus Angle" and it actually felt slightly shorter in person. Dominating, yes. But not tall, especially by comparison.
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