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Old July 13th, 2014, 09:56 PM   #1181
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You are not wrong. The highest building i have ever stood in front is the highest building in my small town. It was built 1k years ago, it's name is Koloman's tower(after king who built it) and it's hight is 78m. But i sow every tall building on Manhattan on Google street....
I am watching WTC1 on Google street every day.

(city of Zadar, Croatia btw.)
There's nothing like the real thing. You can look at a million pictures of the Sears Tower or 1WTC but there's just something awe inspiring about standing at the base and seeing whispy clouds form as air passes over the top of the building. Hope you have a chance to make it to NYC to see 1WTC in person sometime.
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Old July 14th, 2014, 12:15 AM   #1182
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NYC is definitely moving in to the 450+ meters range buildings from the previous 300. Wonder why... Conventional wisdom was that after 1000ft/300m any building was becoming way too expensive to build. Did prices on construction fell or something?
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Old July 14th, 2014, 01:02 AM   #1183
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There hasn't been many opportunities to build 400m+ towers in NYC. Zoning codes made it tough to build very high and 9/11 plus 2008's property cluster**** were downers but now there's the special Hudson Yards district, Vanderbilt Corridor and further planned rezoning of midtown east as well as huge interest in luxury residential space.
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Old July 15th, 2014, 11:40 PM   #1184
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I agree, but I cannot remember there were many supertall projects before 2008 anyway (except the WTC towers)
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Old July 16th, 2014, 12:01 AM   #1185
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I agree, but I cannot remember there were many supertall projects before 2008 anyway (except the WTC towers)
I've wondered about that too. I've wanted to see how many supertall proposals eventually come to fruition. But I can't really find any info on any supertall proposals from, say, the 1990s or the 2000s. The internet really changed things in that regard.

From what I remember: NYSE Tower and a supertall was once proposed for Time Warner Center site and....that's about it. Any others? If so, that's 2 supertalls completed (BoA, NYT) and a further 2 supertall proposals in the preceding decade before this current boom. So a 50-50 success rate?
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Old July 16th, 2014, 12:58 AM   #1186
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You know, there were not a lot of proposal's after 9/11 and the one proposed prior to it where casualties because of it. So NYC kind of went through a dead area phase as far as development prior to and after the "event" if there were any. The exceptions were NYTimes and BOA towers. Maybe the influence from 9/11 has made those developers to just decide to tack on big sticks on top to make them supertall instead of making them true supertalls because of fears.

Obviously, the biggest victim from 9/11 was Trump’s NYSE Tower which had been killed by the FAA citing fears.

Other proposal’s that comes to mind was 15 Penn Plaza & the Port Authority Tower. Otherwise, I think that was it.

Many of the projects proposed prior to the credit crises had been revived and are now back on track going vertical.

Too bad Trump doesn’t have those desires anymore to build the tallest tower in NYC anymore. This cycle would have been perfect to get back in the game in NYC especially with this tower.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 02:34 AM   #1187
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Interesting. Had no idea about the Port Authority Tower. Apparently the designs were stunning:

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Old July 16th, 2014, 01:41 PM   #1188
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A tower eventually will be built on the PA site.
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Old July 16th, 2014, 04:09 PM   #1189
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Yes, but i have special technique of watching. I close curtains, turn off lights in my room, then i start to meditate.... and i am trying really hard to depict the proportions.
Hey neighbour, Ivan from Zagreb over here. I traveled every single Manhattan street on streetview and it can not compare to the real thing. The moment I exited Penn station and experienced all the hustle and bustle will be forever ingrained in my memory. Can't wait to go again
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Old July 16th, 2014, 06:10 PM   #1190
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I remember there was a proposal near where the Fulton St Transport Hub is being built, and the site where the Time Warner Center twins were eventually built had a few proposals which were supertalls.
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Old July 17th, 2014, 01:10 AM   #1191
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Today was the public hearing of the One Vanderbilt draft scope.

Below is the full testimony from MAS
http://www.mas.org/wp-content/upload...raft_Scope.pdf
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Old July 17th, 2014, 03:05 AM   #1192
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Hey neighbour, Ivan from Zagreb over here. I traveled every single Manhattan street on streetview and it can not compare to the real thing. The moment I exited Penn station and experienced all the hustle and bustle will be forever ingrained in my memory. Can't wait to go again
Can only agree. The moment I came out of the subway station (in midtown) my jaw dropped. My friend told me I had my mouth open for at least 10 minutes.

Computer screen to reality comparisons are as ridiculous as comparing roller coster rides and the video of one.
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Old July 22nd, 2014, 10:07 PM   #1193
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More good news.

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2014/0..._landmarks.php
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Old July 22nd, 2014, 11:02 PM   #1194
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Some renderings from the Curbed article:







This one here is a stunner:



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This diagram is also fascinating. The setbacks and tapering have an incredible impact on the street-level experience.

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Old July 22nd, 2014, 11:09 PM   #1195
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Very cool. The Vanderbilt and 42nd St. sides in particular will be much airier than what's currently there.

Now, I may have gotten a little cantilever obsessed lately because of some other prominent projects that are utilizing them, but looking at those lobby renders, part of me wishes they would employ a cantilever in order to make the lobby completely column-less. It would reduce some visual clutter and really allow the space to be about GCT (which is one of the minority complaints of the Landmarks commissioners).
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Old July 25th, 2014, 07:55 AM   #1196
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Amazing!! Are those the finals renderings?
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Old July 29th, 2014, 09:57 AM   #1197
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New diagram
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Old July 29th, 2014, 12:39 PM   #1198
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The lines need to be sexified. It looks way too stiff. If you want stiff go for a box, not some half-assed set of curves. The angles are off.
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The lines need to be sexified. It looks way too stiff. If you want stiff go for a box, not some half-assed set of curves. The angles are off.
What are you talking about? No curves here. The angles are off how...?
Please enlighten all the mortals here and shed a little light on how a real architectural mastermind like yourself would go about designing this tower - I hope you're listening too KPF!
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