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Old September 19th, 2014, 09:37 PM   #1301
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It's the perspective of the shots, take the first render for example, they've deliberately made the ESB appear as being midtowns tallest building, probably to please the Nimbys

What you need to do is look at the height of the building compared to say the BofA tower and spire which is more in line with it... Then you can appreciate its height
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Old September 20th, 2014, 12:42 AM   #1302
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This tower is awesome! If this 1,350' tower were proposed in any other US city, people would be going wild.
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Old September 20th, 2014, 12:55 AM   #1303
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Agreed! I like it and 1 Vandy is going to be majestic in the skyline.
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Old September 20th, 2014, 01:08 AM   #1304
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I agree, VG . I cannot believe all of the very tall buildings that will
Rising!

1. Nirdstrom 1,490
2. 432 Park 1,400
3. TD Bank/ 1 Vanderbilt 1,350
4. Steinway 1,325
5. Time Warner 1,285
6. Verre 1,050
7. One57 1,005
8. Girasole 1,000
9. 35 HY 1,000+
10. 101 TriBeCa 950
11. 220 CPD 950
12. 30 Park Place 930
13. 227 Cherry 850
14. 15 E 30th 850
15. 56 Leonard 825

Etc., etc.!
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Old September 20th, 2014, 01:49 AM   #1305
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I saw a worrisome editorial in the New York Post that indicates the promise of getting a head start to the Midtown East revitalization by breaking this Vanderbilt area one and pushing through a new supertall friendly overall Midtown East plan later may get bogged down by special NINBY interests and others concerning the infrastructure investment promises and other things. One thing is for sure, it's a major priority of Mayor de Blasio to get this done and he'd better push his progressive, less development friendly allies on the council to stop interfering with a vital need for economic revival in this underutilized and incredibly promising, huge swath of Manhattan.
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Old September 20th, 2014, 02:08 AM   #1306
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I agree, VG . I cannot believe all of the very tall buildings that will
Rising!

1. Nirdstrom 1,490
2. 432 Park 1,400
3. TD Bank/ 1 Vanderbilt 1,350
4. Steinway 1,325
5. Time Warner 1,285
6. Verre 1,050
7. One57 1,005
8. Girasole 1,000
9. 35 HY 1,000+
10. 101 TriBeCa 950
11. 220 CPD 950
12. 30 Park Place 930
13. 227 Cherry 850
14. 15 E 30th 850
15. 56 Leonard 825

Etc., etc.!
Forgot 3 WTC: 1,100
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Old September 20th, 2014, 02:14 AM   #1307
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Oh yeah! And 1 and 4 WTC.
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Old September 20th, 2014, 04:03 AM   #1308
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What Time Warner is 1285 feet? It's certainly not the Time Warner Center.
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Old September 20th, 2014, 04:04 AM   #1309
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Old September 20th, 2014, 04:21 AM   #1310
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I'm super excited to see this tower rise in this particular spot, but something has to be said about that crown, it looks really awkward.
Hope they do something about it by the time they submit the final renderings cause that could make what is now a nice tower just plain great.
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Old September 20th, 2014, 05:22 PM   #1311
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I agree, VG . I cannot believe all of the very tall buildings that will
Rising!

1. Nirdstrom 1,490
2. 432 Park 1,400
3. TD Bank/ 1 Vanderbilt 1,350
4. Steinway 1,325
5. Time Warner 1,285
6. Verre 1,050
7. One57 1,005
8. Girasole 1,000
9. 35 HY 1,000+
10. 101 TriBeCa 950
11. 220 CPD 950
12. 30 Park Place 930
13. 227 Cherry 850
14. 15 E 30th 850
15. 56 Leonard 825

Etc., etc.!
There is also one smaller scyscraper that is to rise little far northern of 432 Park ave. It will be similar to One Madison. Not supertall, but worth mention. I think 500 Park ave is it's name...
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Old September 20th, 2014, 09:48 PM   #1312
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impressive list.
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Old September 23rd, 2014, 12:07 AM   #1313
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I agree, VG . I cannot believe all of the very tall buildings that will
Rising!

1. Nirdstrom 1,490
2. 432 Park 1,400
3. TD Bank/ 1 Vanderbilt 1,350
4. Steinway 1,325
5. Time Warner 1,285
6. Verre 1,050
7. One57 1,005
8. Girasole 1,000
9. 35 HY 1,000+
10. 101 TriBeCa 950
11. 220 CPD 950
12. 30 Park Place 930
13. 227 Cherry 850
14. 15 E 30th 850
15. 56 Leonard 825

Etc., etc.!
There is many many more but I don't expect you to remember it because there are too many to recall!

Here's more to add to the list so lets just call it the "honorable mentions"

16. 1 WTC 1776
17. 125 Greenwich ~1356
18. 2 WTC 1350
19. Hudson Spire ~1250
20. 15 Penn Plaza 1216
21. 2 Manhattan West ~1200
22. 520 West 41st 1100
23. 1 Manhattan West 995
24. 15 Hudson Yards 910
25. 425 Park Ave 905
26. 10 Hudson Yards 895

etc. etc. cheerrs
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Old September 27th, 2014, 06:52 AM   #1314
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Someone's not a fan.

KPF’s design for One Vanderbilt not so grand: architecture review

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/09/...ecture-review/
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Regarding SL Green’s controversial plans to put a sky-scraper on the southwest corner of 43rd and Vanderbilt Avenue: I am surprised, for starters, that Landmarks Preservation Commission would ever allow the existing building to come down. It is a pleasant, if not great building dating from the 1920s. In fact, Landmarks has put the kaibosh on scores of better-designed structures than One Vanderbilt — and often to preserve less interesting old buildings than this.

My initial reaction to the plans for the 67-story One Vanderbilt was disappointment.

It’s just another deconstructed tower in Midtown. It’s main point of interest is that the building revives the general terms of Daniel Libeskind’s initial design for the Freedom Tower at One World Trade Center.

But then I learned that it was designed by Kohn Pedersen Fox, which gave me pause. It was not the name that impressed me so much as the general excellence of the firm’s work to date. What’s more, I have been wrong about them before, especially when I based my assessment of 505 Fifth Avenue on initial renderings. As with all of the firm’s work, that building is extremely well made and more elegant in design that I had anticipated.

Knowing that at KPF is behind this latest project (which, at 1450 feet, aspires to be the second tallest in the city), I have no doubt that the quality of the workmanship will make its pleasant to inhabit and pleasant to walk past at street level.

Still, the general design feels too chaotic. This is not the creative chaos of the deconstructivist idiom, but rather the chaos brought by the numerous ideas that seem to elude the designer’s complete control. Beside the tangle of masses across the entire height of the building and the prosthetic accretions and subtractions that mark its busy surface, there is a listless use of curtain-walls, ribbon windows, mullions and infill to provide texture to that surface.

In short, KPF can do better.
Not that I totaly disagree, this location deserves something iconic; fixing that crown could change things for me tho.
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Old September 27th, 2014, 08:02 AM   #1315
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I hope this causes SL Green to make adjustments and also pay out a little more but this as hell better not be the start of a campaign to block or at least delay for years real vertical development for that area. Mayor de Blasio better be on this one as a strong supporter of SL Green on this matter.
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Old September 27th, 2014, 11:11 AM   #1316
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He thinks it's too chaotic, I think it's too placid. I guess everyone' different. It's a bit of a waste for the location from the laypersons POV and a bit too old fashioned for my taste. Would have preferred a modern faceted tower, or something more cutting edge (no pun intended).

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Old September 27th, 2014, 05:59 PM   #1317
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Alternative One Vanderbilt Plan

http://newyorkyimby.com/2014/09/yimb...ning-more.html

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One Vanderbilt [New York Times]: Andrew S. Panson — the owner of Grand Central Terminal, and the terminals’s air rights — has “made a $400 million offer to buy” SL Green’s One Vanderbilt site, where current plans include a 1,450 foot-tall office building; the deal isn’t likely to proceed, but Panson has plans for a 1,395 foot-tall tower of his own.
Interesting! If the 1,395 foot tall tower is to the roof, then it would appear taller than the current 1,350 foot tall roof height! Would be interesting if we could see the design of it; I'm curious!

Also, with them already having a design, they're obviously not messing about with already having an architect I presume... I wonder how long this deal has been in the plans for?
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Old September 27th, 2014, 08:00 PM   #1318
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Buy it! Buy it!

I'm not a fan of the current design, but if it gets built, no harm is done. I'm not one of those "skyline conservationist" people.
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KPF’s design for One Vanderbilt not so grand: architecture review

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/09/...ecture-review/


Not that I totaly disagree, this location deserves something iconic; fixing that crown could change things for me tho.
I completely understand what bothers people. There were no construction/change of skyline in New York as significant as current one for long time. People are used to pictures they had for long time. Now, they are scared someone is going to take those beautifoul pictures of their city away. There is also another thing, new buildings are hard to depict in the phase of design based on renderings. It is only when they are finished, we can say what it really looks like. Considering this crown, yes, it is little awkward. But from another point, it's unregular and precipitous shape gives it kind of gothic look, which might turn out to be great thing at the end. Now, on the renderings it doesn't look special. But when completed and observed in real, i think this awkward crown might gave very special feeling of dimensions in space. It might make whole building imposing and markant. It's up to see....
I was wandering what were people thinking and comenting backthere in 1930' when they were constructing neighboring Chrysler building and american international building in lower manhattan. Those buildings looks very odd too, when you see them for first time...

(edit: i think that it would be great if architects take ordinary people tips and opinion in consideration, because people are going to use all those buildings. So, who ever is doing building should know what people want, wish and think. But it is also very important that people let architects do their job, because it is presumption they know much more than we do. And very often, "we, the people" cannot and don't understand what architects want to achieve and show to us, until the building is finished or long time after that....)
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Old September 28th, 2014, 12:15 AM   #1320
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Edit: the height seems underwhelming for ~1450 ft. Maybe it's the distance.


It's 1350 to the top of the crown. 1450 is to the top
Of the spire.

I think it looks great .
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