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Old November 18th, 2014, 11:44 AM   #1561
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Well, I'm not sure if this tower is beautiful. It does have an impressive height, but the overall look will depend on the materials they use. Moreover it replaces prewar buildings and this trend on Manhattan is not good at all, it's like the sixties are back again: they tear down nearly everything. NYC is losing its historical identity to glass towers that you can find in any major Asian city. In my opinion New York reached its maximal beauty level in the 1930s.
Which old building will they tear down?
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Old November 18th, 2014, 11:45 AM   #1562
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That's not true. The overwhelming majority of Manhattan consists of street after street of buildings from the 1920s and earlier.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 11:55 AM   #1563
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Which old building will they tear down?
This whole block is going to be torn down:

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That's not true. The overwhelming majority of Manhattan consists of street after street of buildings from the 1920s and earlier.
You are right, but more and more old buildings are being demolished. If they go on like this, Manhattan as we know it today will remain in books and movies only. Fortunately there are areas where skyscrapers won't be built, but Midtown is becoming more and more glassy. I'm not sure if it's good. Other development that will change the iconic skyline of Manhattan is Penn Plaza coming (too)close to ESB. I have mixed feelings about it.

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Old November 18th, 2014, 11:59 AM   #1564
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You're right about Midtown between 42nd and 57th, but that's a very small area of Manhattan, and but for a few landmarks like Grand Central, Chrysler, and the Library, it's quite dull.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 12:52 PM   #1565
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For all we know, in 100 years time people could he thinking 'omg no, I dont want that 800m tower being built next to Steinway/Norstrom/Vanderbuilt as it would change New York's iconic skyline and overshadow those buildings' etcetc

Many of the buildings being built today will one day become historic
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Old November 18th, 2014, 01:08 PM   #1566
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Do you really think modern glassy towers that are built on Manhattan today are as unique as ESB or Chrysler were in the 1930s? There was nothing comparable in the whole world back then. Dubai and Chinese cities build bigger and higher nowadays. What's so special about the Vanderbilt tower on a world scale these days?
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Old November 18th, 2014, 01:30 PM   #1567
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There are very few buildings in the world that are as tall or taller than 1 Vanderbilt and Nirdstrom will be .

Both would be the third tallest building in Shanghai, and the second tallest in Shanghai is only 15m taller than Nirdstrom.

Both also would be the second tallest in Shenzhen and in Dubai.

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Old November 18th, 2014, 01:55 PM   #1568
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^ I don't think NYC should get in a pissing contest with Chinese megacities. I would prefer New York to focus on quality only. In the long run, that will be the best choice.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 02:00 PM   #1569
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It's not a pissing contest. In NY, they're being built for economic reasons. The point is that the new supertalls in NY are VERY tall.

Anyway, I can't wait to see Manhattan in 5 or 10 years.

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Old November 18th, 2014, 02:34 PM   #1570
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You are right, but more and more old buildings are being demolished. If they go on like this, Manhattan as we know it today will remain in books and movies only. Fortunately there are areas where skyscrapers won't be built, but Midtown is becoming more and more glassy. I'm not sure if it's good. Other development that will change the iconic skyline of Manhattan is Penn Plaza coming (too)close to ESB. I have mixed feelings about it.
15 Penn is fine. I don't understand this neurosis about the ESB...

there's hardly a lack of older structures in this city. It's a 13 mile island; concentrate activity in midtown and downtown, and you'll inevitably lose older structures for new ones, unless you want to see midtown's office space spread further towards downtown or north towards the UES and Harlem.


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Old November 18th, 2014, 02:44 PM   #1571
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Do you really think modern glassy towers that are built on Manhattan today are as unique as ESB or Chrysler were in the 1930s? There was nothing comparable in the whole world back then. Dubai and Chinese cities build bigger and higher nowadays. What's so special about the Vanderbilt tower on a world scale these days?
Im totally with you regarding this..what ny's architecture is the mix between old & new architecture..for my taste, and i am not a new yorker, the block that will be demolished is not worth to protect..if you compare it with other beauties like the singer building...but thats just one opinion..

of course, 1 vanderbuilt is not a masterpiece...I would also prefer something more special..like 2 WTC..but i think it fits with the surrounding buildings.
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What i like about this design is how it looks different from every angle!

Although my favourite view of this so far is facing up north where you can see the layers of 'chevrons' angling inwards as the multiple vertical sections interconnect towards the crown
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Regarding the discussion about NYC heritage I think that it would be a smart move for the city to let an enitre area like the Hudson yards for example, be a new moderin more glassy area where such artichtecture could rise.

The areas in the city that have nice architecture from the 20's or 30's could be developed with a mixture, mostly neo-classical architecture like many of Stern's buildings for example!

That would be great because then the different districts will reflect the different ages very well in the future!
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Old November 18th, 2014, 06:41 PM   #1575
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Can you imagine having a drink and being that close to the crown of the Chrysler Building? What a trip that'll be...
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And actually looking down at it.
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Old November 18th, 2014, 09:27 PM   #1577
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TD Bank Anchor tenant at 1 Vanderbilt!!!


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Old November 18th, 2014, 11:13 PM   #1578
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We wont be getting TD branding all over it will we?
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Old November 19th, 2014, 01:40 AM   #1579
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For all we know, in 100 years time people could he thinking 'omg no, I dont want that 800m tower being built next to Steinway/Norstrom/Vanderbuilt as it would change New York's iconic skyline and overshadow those buildings' etcetc

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This is my opinion: Tear it down and build new. As lot of ppl already told, there are plenty of old buildings. And this one is no special. If every old building is going to be cried upon, and preserved then sooner then later, Manhattan will be turned into museum of old buildings. (like London) Now, we don't want that to happend. We want to move forward. I do. So, save what is worth saving, and move on. As IamtheSTIG said, this is neverending story. New buildings are coming, and in distant future newer one etc...

Oh yeah, and someone posted light rail on 42st picture. I don't know is there any need for light rail, but it looks nice...
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Old November 19th, 2014, 02:15 AM   #1580
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I don't think it's worth building stern buildings everywhere in midtown.
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