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Old December 19th, 2014, 11:24 PM   #1621
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I don't want anything right by the Chrysler any taller.
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Old December 24th, 2014, 10:37 AM   #1622
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I'm pissed off by these buttinsky community boards sounding off objections and conditions, potentially blocking development of One Vanderbilt. Thankfully their rejections and games playing in itself cannot stop the project, but the City Council better not be derelict and refuse to greenlight this absolutely essential start to the rebuilding of Midtown East as a prime commercial zone... the Mayor had better be strongly urging his allies to back SL Green's proposal if he really is behind it, as he has stated. If not, I doubt any major developer is going to want to deal with the process and do anything there that will transform it for the new century. SL Green is going to spend a lot of money on essential upgrades to the infrastructure and won't be allowed to open the building until these improvements get done.... it would be an awful day should its opponents prevail in the City Council vote after the review process is done in a few months.
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Old December 24th, 2014, 05:33 PM   #1623
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I'm pissed off by these buttinsky community boards sounding off objections and conditions, potentially blocking development of One Vanderbilt. Thankfully their rejections and games playing in itself cannot stop the project, but the City Council better not be derelict and refuse to greenlight this absolutely essential start to the rebuilding of Midtown East as a prime commercial zone... the Mayor had better be strongly urging his allies to back SL Green's proposal if he really is behind it, as he has stated. If not, I doubt any major developer is going to want to deal with the process and do anything there that will transform it for the new century. SL Green is going to spend a lot of money on essential upgrades to the infrastructure and won't be allowed to open the building until these improvements get done.... it would be an awful day should its opponents prevail in the City Council vote after the review process is done in a few months.
I honestly don't get why the council is so against these developments...the only thing I could ever come up with is the fact that a lot of these kinds of projects get too much in the way of tax abatements (e.g. Hudson Yards), but that has never seemed to be the case with the push to rezone Midtown East.

What exactly is their problem? Is it a landmarks issue, because I have to say that has pretty much no sway with me, given the Met Life tower...
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Old December 24th, 2014, 10:05 PM   #1624
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Old December 25th, 2014, 01:18 AM   #1625
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I honestly don't get why the council is so against these developments...the only thing I could ever come up with is the fact that a lot of these kinds of projects get too much in the way of tax abatements (e.g. Hudson Yards), but that has never seemed to be the case with the push to rezone Midtown East.

What exactly is their problem? Is it a landmarks issue, because I have to say that has pretty much no sway with me, given the Met Life tower...
what is so difficult to understand? this is a neighborhood which is already developed and have certain style and history. despite some truly idiotic decisions in the past like putting glass facade on Commodore hotel it still retains a very historic and also classic NYC look. One Vanderbilt is simply out of place there. not because of its height, but mostly because of its shiny looks which contrast heavily with the classic surroundings. If they want the process to go more smoothly they should offer a little bit more classic look with different materials and forms. I think that will do the trick. This is the center of the city so it is not the place where anything will be accepted without scrutiny.
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Old December 25th, 2014, 02:56 AM   #1626
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TD Bank Anchor tenant at 1 Vanderbilt!!!


http://nypost.com/2014/11/17/td-bank...ne-vanderbilt/
TD Bank is currently located in that building they are tearing down...
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Old December 30th, 2014, 08:53 PM   #1628
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what is so difficult to understand? this is a neighborhood which is already developed and have certain style and history. despite some truly idiotic decisions in the past like putting glass facade on Commodore hotel it still retains a very historic and also classic NYC look. One Vanderbilt is simply out of place there. not because of its height, but mostly because of its shiny looks which contrast heavily with the classic surroundings. If they want the process to go more smoothly they should offer a little bit more classic look with different materials and forms. I think that will do the trick. This is the center of the city so it is not the place where anything will be accepted without scrutiny.
I walked all around Manhattan in October and I honestly don't get your issue with how it will affect the neighborhood. Yes there are a lot of historic buildings in that area, but the same could be said for nearly every part of developed Manhattan. My favorite part of the island to walk and observe the architecture was Downtown, which has a great mix of old and new.

I don't think the WTC towers or anything else with glass ruins that part of town, and I certainly don't see how this development would ruin the look and feel of the neighborhood around the Chrysler building.
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Old December 30th, 2014, 11:13 PM   #1629
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This would be the biggest addition to midtown since The BoA building. I agree, I don't see how this would ruin the neighborhood or the Chrysler Building.
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Old December 31st, 2014, 04:14 AM   #1630
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this looks great those city officials oboiusly don't want to redevelop midtown east as this looks great.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 02:36 AM   #1631
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Funny how Toronto Dominion will HQ in a larger building in NYC than its actual headquarters in Toronto..

Mind you their actual headquarters are a Mies masterpiece which more than makes up for its shorter stature.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 05:21 PM   #1632
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The top portion needs work. The design is all muddled there.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 06:39 PM   #1633
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I think it looks great.
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Old January 4th, 2015, 01:43 AM   #1634
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I don't have much of an issue with the crown. Even if it's a little wonky it's eye catching, which in my opinion is better than having a 1.5x taller shard.

Here are some drawings dug up by NYguy over at SSP.



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Old January 4th, 2015, 01:45 AM   #1635
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I love the north-south views of the crown. I also love how the tower has a pyramid-type form that tapers from the base. I eagerly welcome this 1450' masterpiece!



I also like how the different "pieces" of the crown, but for the tallest centerpiece, are the culminations of different folds on the skin as it tapers upward.



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Old January 7th, 2015, 05:09 AM   #1636
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I walked all around Manhattan in October and I honestly don't get your issue with how it will affect the neighborhood. Yes there are a lot of historic buildings in that area, but the same could be said for nearly every part of developed Manhattan. My favorite part of the island to walk and observe the architecture was Downtown, which has a great mix of old and new.

I don't think the WTC towers or anything else with glass ruins that part of town, and I certainly don't see how this development would ruin the look and feel of the neighborhood around the Chrysler building.
Well, IMHO, once you walk around this particular area you will notice that it is pretty much not jut one of two buildings but a collection of different styles in one great ansamble. So if you want to get into this area you need to propose something a way more traditional at least in the lower floors. Just glass will not do the job properly.

Also each area of the island is very different. In the west side you will find huge number of different slums. I see no problem at all to get rid of all of them and build with as much glass or whatever else as someone may see fit. But you also build not just one but many buildings and nothing will create such a dissonance like you will see here. Same thing like West side is out WTC where you have lots of very glassy contemporary things.

But over here something needs to be done about this design. Bring the tower more up - I have no problem with it, but make the bottom of it look more like beginning of 20th century with carved stone, terracotta and etc.

p.s. I also thing that Roosevelt hotel needs to be on a protected list. It is a great old hotel and I'd hate to see it go.
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The buildings on the left are the sacrificial pawns for this future supertall. Nothing worth crying over.


New York, Central Station and Chrysler Building by kazina crediza, on Flickr
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But over here something needs to be done about this design. Bring the tower more up - I have no problem with it, but make the bottom of it look more like beginning of 20th century with carved stone, terracotta and etc.

p.s. I also thing that Roosevelt hotel needs to be on a protected list. It is a great old hotel and I'd hate to see it go.
I like the design... there's already some terra cotta in the base though I'm not against more earth materials especially on the base, though overall I'm very happy with this tower. It's really grown on me... really enjoyed Londonium's rendered graphs. I do wholeheartedly though support your call to landmark and preserve the historic Roosevelt Hotel.
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I love the north-south views of the crown. I also love how the tower has a pyramid-type form that tapers from the base. I eagerly welcome this 1450' masterpiece!



I also like how the different "pieces" of the crown, but for the tallest centerpiece, are the culminations of different folds on the skin as it tapers upward.
Well said! I could not agree more. This tower will be an amazing addition to New York.
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Old January 12th, 2015, 09:33 PM   #1640
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This would be nice:

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