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Old January 12th, 2015, 09:36 PM   #1641
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indeed, but i doubt the rail line would look like that because of potential Darwin award recipients.
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Old January 12th, 2015, 10:01 PM   #1642
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Old January 12th, 2015, 10:18 PM   #1643
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probably me being a bit too morbidly imaginative, but I could foresee people not paying attention walking straight into the light rail train without any barriers.
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Old January 12th, 2015, 11:08 PM   #1644
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Hahahaha, yeah, I saw this image and thought, "Those skater kids are not long for this world."



Still, as far-fetched as such a transformation might seem, there's a big nation-wide push to distance our urban centers from the car culture of the 50s and 60s (even Downtown LA is about to break ground on a similar streetcar proposal), so don't completely rule something like this out in the coming decades. If One Vanderbilt and other potential, huge Midtown East towers are built as envisioned, there will be even more foot traffic flooding this neighborhood. Rather than packing them further onto the busy sidewalks, I think we should let the pedestrians take back all that space we've ceded to cars in the last century.


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Old January 12th, 2015, 11:12 PM   #1645
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Are they already in the process of demolishing the existing building?
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Old January 12th, 2015, 11:51 PM   #1646
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Are they already in the process of demolishing the existing building?
nope. so far nothing is decided for sure
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Old January 13th, 2015, 12:14 AM   #1647
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Old January 13th, 2015, 12:20 AM   #1648
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4 all u "arm chair" preservationists NIMBYS & people who r afraid of building taller then ESB I say dis.......LOOK WUT WAS TORN DOWN 2 MAKE ESB!!!! Not every old building can b saved!!!!!!!
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Old January 13th, 2015, 12:36 AM   #1649
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Old January 13th, 2015, 01:49 AM   #1650
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I love that vision 42nd proposal. I hope this can happen
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Old January 13th, 2015, 02:24 AM   #1651
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I agree, VG. I think that Durst is involved.

Also, 42nd and 57th are traffic disasters. They both warrant this solution.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 04:11 AM   #1652
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indeed, but i doubt the rail line would look like that because of potential Darwin award recipients.
Here's a pic I snapped in Strasbourg a couple years ago - I didn't notice too many pedestrians getting mowed down...really would be nice if we could devote a couple lanes of 42nd (and 23rd, and 34th, and 57th...) to something like this, wouldn't it...?

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Old January 13th, 2015, 09:27 AM   #1654
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Old January 13th, 2015, 09:35 AM   #1655
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It looks nice (particularly the greenery) but I really don't think pedestrianizing 42nd street is necessary. It would severely disrupt traffic and the subways don't have much more capacity for people going from downtown to uptown and vice versa. I also doubt the light rail would be useful to commuters or residents... overall this seems like a project for tourists rather than locals. I'd rather they put the money and effort into strengthening the bike network.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 04:19 PM   #1656
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[QUOTE=57th&1st;120582457]Here's a pic I snapped in Strasbourg a couple years ago - I didn't notice too many pedestrians getting mowed down...really would be nice if we could devote a couple lanes of 42nd (and 23rd, and 34th, and 57th...) to something like this, wouldn't it...?


Personally, I'd bring back the trolley cars. They were all over NYC at one time. Make the cars a little bit longer then the old ones, combo of trolley/lite rail car and bring them to the major cross streets (23rd, 34th, 42nd, 57th) and downtown, Seaport thru Battery to WTC.

I wouldn't close off those crossroads to make greenways out of them...no need and looks out of place to me.

The trolleys though...would look Awesome!

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Old January 13th, 2015, 06:24 PM   #1657
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It looks nice (particularly the greenery) but I really don't think pedestrianizing 42nd street is necessary. It would severely disrupt traffic and the subways don't have much more capacity for people going from downtown to uptown and vice versa. I also doubt the light rail would be useful to commuters or residents... overall this seems like a project for tourists rather than locals. I'd rather they put the money and effort into strengthening the bike network.
I don't disagree about the Trams - totally unnecessary as the plan currently stands - but pedestrianizing 42nd, couldn't be all that bad?

At the very least, I'd like to see improvements for cyclists and buses. I'd much rather see that than a Tram that's looking for a purpose.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 06:37 PM   #1658
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probably me being a bit too morbidly imaginative, but I could foresee people not paying attention walking straight into the light rail train without any barriers.
I'm guessing maybe even a 100 cities in Europe already did it without any safety concerns. My hometown included. Widespread tram network all around the city and within pedestrian zones. Accidents are very rare.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 06:54 PM   #1659
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Troopchina, I have to ask. Why does somebody from Croatia have the Gateway Arch as their avatar? Do you have family there? I know there's a large Bosnian population in St. Louis.
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I don't disagree about the Trams - totally unnecessary as the plan currently stands - but pedestrianizing 42nd, couldn't be all that bad?

At the very least, I'd like to see improvements for cyclists and buses. I'd much rather see that than a Tram that's looking for a purpose.

I love the idea and I think by doing this would be a boon to the business along 42nd street with the creation of the pedestrian plaza along with the Tram. I can see time square expanding its reach going West to East.

I actually think the tram would serve a real purpose other than serving the tourists. The 42nd street corridor is going to see an increased amount of housing stock and commercial development most especially on both ends of 42nd street with One Vanderbilt Tower rising right in the center of if.

On the Far East side on 42nd Street, you will have 50 UN completing, JDS twins at 626 first Ave and the UN Consolidated Building that the UN is planning to build.

Finally on the West End where the Hudson Yards/ Boulevard area will be rising with Developments such as 605W42nd, 551 10th Ave, 577 9th Ave, Silverstein’s Supertall at 520 W 41st and all the towers that would be rising south of 42nd street along the Hudson Boulevard.

The importance of the tram is most especially needed since the #7 Extension train project has done away with the station at 41st street and 10th Ave.

My concern is the traffic, but maybe they can find away pedestrianizing half of 42nd street and turning the half of into a 1 lane 2 way street?? I dunno. I’m sure they are performing studies of the impact this project would have on traffic and how to alleviate.

Maybe congestion pricing to start off could help relieve congestion along this corridor?
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