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Old January 13th, 2015, 07:22 PM   #1661
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The M1 rail line in Detroit is something like this that is currently under construction. While I'm not entirely sure why it's needed in Detroit, I do think it could be very helpful in cities that are more dense, like New York. The concept images show how well the M1 line will coexist with the streets that are already set in place, but I understand that New York streets are far narrower. Any thoughts on elevated rail systems?
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Old January 13th, 2015, 07:30 PM   #1662
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probably me being a bit too morbidly imaginative, but I could foresee people not paying attention walking straight into the light rail train without any barriers.
For the past 11 years Nottingham has had trams running through the city centre in pedestrianised areas, not once has a serious accident happened from what I know of!

The trams here run every 3 minutes in each direction, so a tram passes here on average every 1.5 minutes

Here's part of Nottingham square with a tram line in the foreground, people minding there own business:



A tram in that area:



A fairly pedestrianised street:



Nottingham Trent Uni campus, a busy, mostly pedestrianised area, but trams aren't a hassle:



An image of a small square outside one of Nottinghams largest colleges; this is normally very busy (unlike the photo) but again the trams aren't a hassle even with skateboarders and bikers:




Trams are also great, because Nottinghams trams have a bell that rings out loud which is based on the town halls clock bell (the domed building), called Little John, it creates an iconic sound for when you're in the city adding to the atmosphere

The new model of trams here also look great imo adding to the street scene:



Sorry for the off topic, but some more pedestrianisation would be great in New York, and it would still be able to have forms of public transport running through
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Old January 13th, 2015, 07:34 PM   #1663
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I agree Stig!

Nice tram ur city has!
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Old January 13th, 2015, 08:27 PM   #1664
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Nice photos, Stig!

I didn't know you're from Nottingham. Pls send my regards to the Sherrif!!
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Old January 13th, 2015, 09:12 PM   #1665
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The SHARD 2.0 in NYC
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Old January 13th, 2015, 09:22 PM   #1666
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The SHARD 2.0 in NYC
And exactly 500 feet taller. At 1,014', Midtown would absorb London's Shard due to tapering.
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Old January 14th, 2015, 04:30 PM   #1667
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I love the idea and I think by doing this would be a boon to the business along 42nd street with the creation of the pedestrian plaza along with the Tram. I can see time square expanding its reach going West to East.

I actually think the tram would serve a real purpose other than serving the tourists. The 42nd street corridor is going to see an increased amount of housing stock and commercial development most especially on both ends of 42nd street with One Vanderbilt Tower rising right in the center of if.

On the Far East side on 42nd Street, you will have 50 UN completing, JDS twins at 626 first Ave and the UN Consolidated Building that the UN is planning to build.

Finally on the West End where the Hudson Yards/ Boulevard area will be rising with Developments such as 605W42nd, 551 10th Ave, 577 9th Ave, Silverstein’s Supertall at 520 W 41st and all the towers that would be rising south of 42nd street along the Hudson Boulevard.

The importance of the tram is most especially needed since the #7 Extension train project has done away with the station at 41st street and 10th Ave.

My concern is the traffic, but maybe they can find away pedestrianizing half of 42nd street and turning the half of into a 1 lane 2 way street?? I dunno. I’m sure they are performing studies of the impact this project would have on traffic and how to alleviate.

Maybe congestion pricing to start off could help relieve congestion along this corridor?
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not against trams. I just wasn't convinced by the Vision42 team as to why it was necessary or what they were going to solve (specifically, with the loop). You raise some good points, certainly.

I guess I haven't yet been convinced that the project will be a sufficient circulator (they're pushing for a loop). Obviously, it would provide for much simpler crosstown movements - a huge example that sticks out is Penn-Grand Central - but it just seems like the project is leading from an ends of having the tram, rather than leading with an actual purpose; they seem way to stuck on the idea of having a loop, without exploring any other alternatives. This is what bugs me about their plan.
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Old January 14th, 2015, 05:12 PM   #1668
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And exactly 500 feet taller. At 1,014', Midtown would absorb London's Shard due to tapering.
Really? Lol! In Europe it is tall but for NYC it would hardly be visible from across the hudson. Just like one57 maybe the top.
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Old January 15th, 2015, 02:29 PM   #1669
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Saying a 306m building would "hardly be visible" just takes it too far. May be the biggest skyline in the world, but for many years to come, a supertall will still be a supertall, even in Midtown.
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Old January 15th, 2015, 03:08 PM   #1670
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It definitely would be Barely visible. There's only a very small spire at 300m.
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Old January 15th, 2015, 03:11 PM   #1671
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Seriously, I bet you could easily name a hundred Midtown buildings below 300m off the top of your head that are easily visible from anywhere.
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Old January 15th, 2015, 03:22 PM   #1672
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I think basically what they mean is that The Shard wouldn't stick out that much, you'd be able to see it, but the top is thinner that One57s, and that tower barely makes a mark over the plateau from most angles

The Shard is also quite a small tower, in London it looks huge, but compare it to the Empire State, The Shard is small not just in height!

I love The Shard and has helped to bring London to a whole new level, but London isn't New York....

Take Tower Verre for an example, it'll be 320m tall and only the tip will be visible on the skyline
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Old January 15th, 2015, 03:30 PM   #1673
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This little thin point would barely be visible. The crown of One57 is barely visible from
The ESB, and it's a lot thicker than this little thin spire on the Shard.

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Old January 15th, 2015, 04:08 PM   #1674
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Yea, it's pretty much impossible to see One57 south of Midtown unless you're high up.
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Old January 15th, 2015, 05:55 PM   #1675
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Seriously, I bet you could easily name a hundred Midtown buildings below 300m off the top of your head that are easily visible from anywhere.
It's not a crowded field, and whichever ones you can see from any direction are mostly blocked by other towers. You need to be in specific places to have a good view of specific buildings. You'll need an elevated position to see most buildings from any direction.
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Old January 17th, 2015, 06:11 PM   #1676
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The tapered point of the shard would be relatively speaking as visible as the tapered point of the Chrysler building. It's not all that hard to find a spot to take a skyline photo that includes the crown of the Chrysler.
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Old January 17th, 2015, 09:26 PM   #1677
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I wouldn't say, "hardly visible", more like just another brick in the wall. Especially in midtown east, like these:



The Bank of America tower is just there for another comparison.
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Old January 18th, 2015, 03:26 AM   #1678
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I laugh every time I see John Boehner, Hudson. That's hilarious! Did you hear about the "Electile dysfunction" ads that Boehner's opponent ran? They're great!
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Old January 18th, 2015, 05:26 AM   #1679
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it stuck lol. and yes, those were hilarious.
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Old January 18th, 2015, 02:48 PM   #1680
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I concur!
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