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Old May 27th, 2015, 10:56 PM   #1841
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That's it!! The whole process has finally come to term. One Vanderbilt and Vanderbilt Corridor passed. Let the building commence.

Next Up! ... Millstein's 335 Madison Avenue:Cheers:

1 Vanderbilt Gets the Go-Ahead from City Council
http://commercialobserver.com/2015/0...-city-council/

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The New York City Council this afternoon unanimously approved SL Green Realty Corp.’s proposal for a new office tower, 1 Vanderbilt, in the heart of Midtown East. The Council also gave the green light for the rezoning of the Vanderbilt Corridor, the five-block stretch that spans from East 42nd to East 47th Streets.

“It is time to unlock the economic development potential in East Midtown,” said Council Member Daniel R. Garodnick in prepared remarks. “The area has gotten stuck in outdated rules, and has lost some of its competitiveness over time. That is going to change today, starting with the Vanderbilt Corridor—where we will open the door to additional density in exchange for much-needed improvements to our transit system.”

As Commercial Observer previously reported, SL Green has made a commitment to deliver $220 million in the form of public improvements to ensure the building rises. These upgrades include building new direct subway access points and circulation areas in and around Grand Central Terminal to ease the congestion of the popular 4, 5 and 6 subway lines and constructing a new, three-story public transit entrance.

“Featuring world-class architecture, pioneering sustainability standards, and modern flexible floor-plates that global companies demand, 1 Vanderbilt will usher in an exciting new era for East Midtown,” said Marc Holliday, the chief executive officer of SL Green, in a statement. “1 Vanderbilt will deliver critically-needed, state-of-the-art Class A office space and dramatically upgrade Grand Central’s aging, over-burdened transit infrastructure.”

The building at 1 Vanderbilt, designed by Kohn Pedersen Fox, is expected to create 5,200 construction jobs and 190 permanent union jobs.
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Old May 27th, 2015, 11:12 PM   #1842
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Great news! This building screams "New York" to me more than any of the other supertalls going up.
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Old May 28th, 2015, 12:11 AM   #1843
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Here's hoping they include a world class restaurant and observation deck!
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Old May 28th, 2015, 12:27 AM   #1844
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building looks like a vertically stretched ESB so new york.
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Old May 28th, 2015, 12:31 AM   #1845
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New York City Council Grants Final Approval to SL Green's One Vanderbilt Office Tower
http://investor.shareholder.com/slg/...leaseID=915108

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The 63-story skyscraper will be 1,501 feet tall and contain 1.6 million square feet of Class A commercial space. Designed by Kohn Pedersen Fox (KPF), One Vanderbilt's architecture and building materials pay homage to the landmarked Terminal and the surrounding East Midtown business district.
Re: Hudson Spire
This is evidence that floor count doesn't indicate a towers height. The Hudson Spire is to have aprox 61 floors vs. One Vandy's 63 fl count. I believe the Hudson Spire could potentially end up being pretty comparable height wise to One Vanderbilt imo.
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Old May 28th, 2015, 01:02 AM   #1846
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New York City Council Grants Final Approval to SL Green's One Vanderbilt Office Tower
http://investor.shareholder.com/slg/...leaseID=915108



Re: Hudson Spire
This is evidence that floor count doesn't indicate a towers height. The Hudson Spire is to have aprox 61 floors vs. One Vandy's 63 fl count. I believe the Hudson Spire could potentially end up being pretty comparable height wise to One Vanderbilt imo.
Doesn't the FAR play into that, as well?
If the Hudson Spire is on a smaller lot, with less FAR (and is subsequently eating up air rights to surpass those limitations), it would be a "thinner" building.

It seems to me that 1 Vandy is a very wide building at the base, and tapers fairly gradually towards the spire.

*in other words, I think we may need to pay attention the actual sq. footage that a potential Hudson Spire development could have, rather than just the floor-count.
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Old May 28th, 2015, 01:12 AM   #1847
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the Hidson Spire is larger site and has 2.8 msf vs. 1.6msf for Vanderbilt. The Hudson Spire would be a larger building than One Vanderbilt if made aprox same height.
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Old May 28th, 2015, 01:13 AM   #1848
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the Hidson Spire is larger site and has 2.8 msf vs. 1.6msf for Vanderbilt. The Hudson Spire would be a larger building than One Vanderbilt if made aprox same height.
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Old May 28th, 2015, 02:10 AM   #1849
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New York City Council Grants Final Approval to SL Green's One Vanderbilt Office Tower
http://investor.shareholder.com/slg/...leaseID=915108



Re: Hudson Spire
This is evidence that floor count doesn't indicate a towers height. The Hudson Spire is to have aprox 61 floors vs. One Vandy's 63 fl count. I believe the Hudson Spire could potentially end up being pretty comparable height wise to One Vanderbilt imo.
We don't know how many floors Hudson Spire will have though. Or Vanderbilt for that matter. We've heard a few different figures. I always wait for something more official than articles since they are notorious for getting figures wrong
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Old May 28th, 2015, 03:38 AM   #1850
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That information was provided by the developer today (SL Green) in a press release. It's their info, not the media outlets.

And for the Hudson Spire:

The aprox, 61 floors is from TS application for the Hudson Spire, so it's what we have to go by for now.

http://goodjobsny.org/sites/default/...%20Package.pdf
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Old May 28th, 2015, 06:57 AM   #1851
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^Noting the application does say "approximately 61" floors so there's room to play here if they so desire it. The building they develop in my opinion has to be taller than any so far in the HY radius, if not 1,800 ft as the early teasers for "Hudson Spire" getting to1,500-1,600ft with a grand crown or spire.
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Ah okay @VG, if they say it's 1,501' and 63 floors then it is. I know the building will be tall, but even with the crown/spire 63 floors is a very low floor count. I guess only skyscraper nerds like me care.

The cancelled American Commerce Center in Philly was also a ~1500 footer with 63 floors, funny.

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^Noting the application does say "approximately 61" floors so there's room to play here if they so desire it. The building they develop in my opinion has to be taller than any so far in the HY radius, if not 1,800 ft as the early teasers for "Hudson Spire" getting to1,500-1,600ft with a grand crown or spire.
It doesn't "have to be" taller but it would obviously be nice.

It doesn't say 61 floors there but that's the most recent floor count we've gotten although it obviously may not be final.

Walpole keeps claiming it'll be 13-1400 feet, which I think is optimistic but certainly possible.
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Old May 28th, 2015, 07:26 AM   #1853
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What I meant was that the best thing would be to stand out and give more identity to the West Side.... I love HY but I think something taller accentuates the West Side better. Though the Frank McCourt property opposite Brookfield might offer with around 750,000 square feet a supertall of 1.400 ft or so. It doesn't have to be taller of course, but in the best possible scenario it sure indeed would be VERY nice!
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Old May 28th, 2015, 04:00 PM   #1854
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Old May 29th, 2015, 09:20 PM   #1855
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Does no one else think the crown/spire if this tower looks incredibly poorly implemented? The tower sort of just stops, and there's no real sense if coherent proportion between the two.

Maybe it's just the angle of the renders so far, as the crown doesn't look too bad in that last render, but I don't have my hopes up.
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Old May 29th, 2015, 11:01 PM   #1856
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Does no one else think the crown/spire if this tower looks incredibly poorly implemented? The tower sort of just stops, and there's no real sense if coherent proportion between the two.

Maybe it's just the angle of the renders so far, as the crown doesn't look too bad in that last render, but I don't have my hopes up.
No, you're hardly the only one. I've seen angles where I love it, and angles where I absolutely loathe it. By far the best I've seen so far is in VisualHouse's NY 2030 render:



The problem with that is, 1) it raises the question of whether or not it'll really look like that when it's lit up, and how will it look when it's not; and 2) that's an angle no one is ever going to see it from except in a helicopter. The renders I've seen looking up from the ground (AKA, the angle most people will see it from by far) have generally looked pretty crummy. But I also suspect it's going to continue to be refined and revised -- they're still a long way from breaking ground, after all.
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Old May 29th, 2015, 11:03 PM   #1857
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No, you're hardly the only one. I've seen angles where I love it, and angles where I absolutely loathe it. By far the best I've seen so far is in VisualHouse's NY 2030 render:


The problem with that is, 1) it raises the question of whether or not it'll really look like that when it's lit up, and how will it look when it's not; and 2) that's an angle no one is ever going to see it from except in a helicopter. The renders I've seen looking up from the ground (AKA, the angle most people will see it from by far) have generally looked pretty crummy. But I also suspect it's going to continue to be refined and revised -- they're still a long way from breaking ground, after all.
I've always secretly thought it and 15Penn ought to switch crowns...
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Old May 29th, 2015, 11:07 PM   #1858
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I've always secretly thought it and 15Penn ought to switch crowns...
Okay, you just blew my mind.
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Old May 31st, 2015, 12:20 AM   #1859
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Sweet!

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Old May 31st, 2015, 01:05 AM   #1860
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This plot could have so much potential but the spire completely screwed the entire design. Maybe the tower will be nice once complete but I don't like the render designs due to the horribly planned spire.
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