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Old August 4th, 2015, 08:43 PM   #1901
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^ Well said! Well Said indeed!!
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Old August 5th, 2015, 01:30 AM   #1902
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Now go ask the generation before these 'old school' New Yorkers what they thought about NYC in the late 20th century, and then go ask the generation before that what they though about how NYC changed during their generation. We always romanticize previous periods and/or the era's that we grew up in. People always talk about in my day. This will never change. Chances are in 50 years some people who have been living in NYC for a long time will romanticize the low crime, gentrifying, skyscraper booming, billionaire row etc. etc. etc. era of the 2010's. Cities change, especially American cities.

Not saying we need to demolish everything. I think these buildings are beautiful and it would be nice if One Vanderbilt could go up on top of some ugly buildings. However I love this tower and think it will look amazing now and in decades to come.
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Old August 6th, 2015, 04:57 AM   #1903
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It's hard to know the feeling unless you've been in NYC a while, not just any other US city. The city changes so much and people are used to it (especially in midtown). When one building gets demolished everyone gets up in arms, but people quickly get over it unless it's a truly criminal move, like Penn Station, Bancroft, or St. Vincent's. But in this case, it's really not a criminal move. Few people will care about these buildings in the future and they're not unique by any means. Midtown is already a hot mess of buildings. This also isn't really about broader changes in the city because that's more an issue about gentrification, which is not what's going on here.

That all said, I do think developers have too much influence in the city and tenants too few. Preservation efforts should be redoubled in certain neighborhoods and focused more in more appropriate ones. NY helped pioneered the modern landmarking movement in the US and it's still big here, but we can still be much better about having a comprehensive preservation and landmarking laws. Anyway, I'm basically ok with 1 Vandy happening. I'm more concerned about other parts of the city. Rant over!
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Old August 13th, 2015, 08:35 AM   #1904
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Old August 13th, 2015, 11:33 AM   #1905
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Old August 13th, 2015, 06:49 PM   #1906
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The thread title will soon change to "Demo", not U/C.
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Old August 14th, 2015, 04:22 AM   #1907
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One of my faveourites places in NYC is being destoyed. This city is losing It's identity and unique character in a very fast pace...
Those buildings shouldn't be demolished.
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Old August 14th, 2015, 10:09 AM   #1908
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It's about time.
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Old August 14th, 2015, 03:09 PM   #1909
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How you can destroy a building like that?
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Old August 15th, 2015, 12:33 AM   #1910
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No building unless destroyed by fire or explosion should be demolished in NYC built before world war 2. At least we r getting a good building.
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No building unless destroyed by fire or explosion should be demolished in NYC built before world war 2. At least we r getting a good building.
there are many dilapidated prewars throughout the city- even in Manhattan. If its not landmark worthy, it should be a prospect for redevelopment.
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Old August 15th, 2015, 03:51 AM   #1912
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Before any of these buildings are demolished, a complete pictorial inventory should be attempted. There is plenty of artwork, sculptural elements, patterned brickwork, steel decoration, etc. that will be demolished. A real shame some of the more intricate sculpture cannot or will not be moved/saved. Those decorative elements at the top of one of the buildings is the perfect example of something that ought to be moved to ground level, where it can be appreciated. Once lost, it is lost to the ages.
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Old August 18th, 2015, 12:21 PM   #1913
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Imagine the cool and downright beautiful possibilities of combining the existing building with 2015 skyscraper engineering...

I believe the contrast would give an awesome futuristic feel while maintaining this historic site's character.
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Old August 18th, 2015, 06:02 PM   #1914
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americans discovering heritage protection... and obviously it's mostly europeans who are shocked (and indeed, what a shame this building will be destroyed!)... funny! hahaha
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Old August 18th, 2015, 06:43 PM   #1915
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americans discovering heritage protection... and obviously it's mostly europeans who are shocked (and indeed, what a shame this building will be destroyed!)... funny! hahaha
.....not really discovering anything.

The DOE (determination of eligibility) for landmark status typically doesn't ascribe much importance to the aesthetic value of a structure, unless it's 1) one-of-a-kind or 2) a masterwork.

If nothing of symbolic or historical significance took place there, it is not, by the very definition, a landmark and worth saving.

It's a very common architectural style in the city, and is in no way at danger of being eliminated.

People hyperventilate over such silly things.
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Old August 18th, 2015, 07:22 PM   #1916
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americans discovering heritage protection... and obviously it's mostly europeans who are shocked (and indeed, what a shame this building will be destroyed!)... funny! hahaha
What the hell are you talking about!?...do you suggest we are barbarians?
Do you even know who the Monuments Men were and what they did to preserve and save your culture?We have for sure a young history but a lot is done by passionated people in the U.S. to renovate,maintain and valorize our patrimony.
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Old August 18th, 2015, 07:34 PM   #1917
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NYC gotta finally understand that It's youth is gone. It's one of the only cities in USA that kept It's XIX-century heritage with little destruction and getting rid of it will do nothing good in long term.
It's not about keeping buildings in which something 'symbolic' happend. This is ridiculous, this has nothing to do with monuments conservation.
Why do you think everybody love european cities so much? Paris, Rome, Milan, etc? It's because they learned how to preserve not one building, but whole historical landscape (cities, districts) while still managing to adopt them to contemporary times.
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Old August 18th, 2015, 07:56 PM   #1918
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NYC gotta finally understand that It's youth is gone. It's one of the only cities in USA that kept It's XIX-century heritage with little destruction and getting rid of it will do nothing good in long term.
It's not about keeping buildings in which something 'symbolic' happend. This is ridiculous, this has nothing to do with monuments conservation.
Why do you think everybody love european cities so much? Paris, Rome, Milan, etc? It's because they learned how to preserve not one building, but whole historical landscape (cities, districts) while still managing to adopt them to contemporary times.
New York City has tons of historical districts as well as landmarked buildings. Check out the link Phoenixboy08 provided above and you will see.

These buildings are not worth saving for the the beauty that is to arise.
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Old August 18th, 2015, 08:05 PM   #1919
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New York City has tons of historical districts as well as landmarked buildings. Check out the link Phoenixboy08 provided above and you will see.

These buildings are not worth saving for the the beauty that is to arise.
People are short-sighted: they'll moan about "lost history" even while they complain about unaffordable rents with their next breath.
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Old August 18th, 2015, 08:10 PM   #1920
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Why do you think everybody love european cities so much? Paris, Rome, Milan, etc? It's because they learned how to preserve not one building, but whole historical landscape (cities, districts) while still managing to adopt them to contemporary times.
There are already whole districts under strict preservation rules -- basically everything between FiDi and southern Midtown. For the rest of the city, the landmarking process is a way to try and create some balance, to protect important and particularly beautiful/architecturally significant buildings without stifling growth. It's not always perfect, and there are certainly some gems that get lost, and the system could potentially be reformed...

But NYC didn't become a political, cultural and economic epicenter by holding fast to old civic values at the expense of modernization. If there is only one place in the US that should always be pushing for bigger and newer developments, it's Midtown freaking Manhattan.
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