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Old January 5th, 2016, 04:41 AM   #481
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Old January 5th, 2016, 04:42 AM   #482
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Old January 18th, 2016, 02:04 PM   #485
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Old January 19th, 2016, 08:14 AM   #487
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 12:25 PM   #488
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people being swayed by nimby's need to hear from the other side...

the good developer/s and architects need to hear your voices of support LOUDLY

in the face of the latest deed of horror in Boston.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20....html#comments
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Old January 23rd, 2016, 09:31 PM   #489
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people being swayed by nimby's need to hear from the other side...

the good developer/s and architects need to hear your voices of support LOUDLY

in the face of the latest deed of horror in Boston.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20....html#comments
yeah, most of the comments were nimby supporters or nimbies themselves.............That's spot is where the late great Mayor Tom Menino wanted a 1000 footer. The rendition of it was beautiful .
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Old January 29th, 2016, 09:14 PM   #490
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Wanted to offer a bit of general skyscraper news for Boston.

Well, despite all the excitement over Millenium Tower, 1 Dalton St, 1 Congress, Copley Sq Tower, Nashua Street and TD Garden, it's been a very tough month in Boston with respect to 3 huge projects beaten down very hard...

As time marches on, these proposals, getting staler by the minute will earn reallocation to a new category i call nuclear options re; those parcels in the ~$300-500M zone for teardowns of extremely valuable property + sinking garages + bureaucracy before the cranes ever arrive... It's fine in New York, but this a prohibitive economic model for Boston, because you have to build very tall to make it work....

But anyone familiar with Boston knows - that short of a formal declaration by Tom Menino that "WE'RE GONNA GO BIG HERE,' going big in Boston causes problems.

To make clear how bad the situation is; included in the short list of +500' parcels comprises a few that will probably go to +600' - but, after 1 Dalton Street, there is only 1 site in the entire city that's earmarked for a true, +200m skyscraper; that of course, is 111 Federal Street. There is a stale proposal for very tall at the Southbay parcel adjacent to the South Station rail yards from a decade ago, (but it never got past the exploratory phase).... either way, this seems to mark an endpoint of sorts in Boston's post urban renewal era.

In the next few years, to fill our desperate need for housing, the political winds will force squeezing in several more +300~380' highrises in a few areas near the Inner/High Spine and just beyond. But, after the current sites under construction are built, we'll have inched ever more closer to zero and i mean ZERO future development sites for +500'~750' towers - short of extortionately expensive teardowns requiring very tall +1.2-2.0M sq ft out the other end - just to get near the LOI phase of construction.

i Suppose it isn't all bad; as they're also running out of parcels to stick more 285 foot stubby turds (like 888 Boylston St).

The Jan 2016 nimby bloodbath took place over these embattled sites....

1. 111 Federal, for what should become Boston's next +750' tower (after 1 Dalton St); snarled in bureaucracy;

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...UYP/story.html

2. Garden Garage/Equity Residental with the BRA ready to grant approval, then balking over not liking one of the answers to a question they asked at what would have been the final meeting before receiving BRA approval.

3. the Harbor Garage site.... for what should be a 620' waterfront stunner yesterday,

instead it's looking much more like the latest heartbreaker.

I was unrealistically optimistic about this one.

Basically, this had been a single tower project since last June...

1. because Don C does as tall as 'it can be.'
2. Sinking a 1400 space garage + 2 buildings on a project cut down to 900,000 sq ft isn't feasible.

Of course, all that + 1 tower doesn't appear feasible at 900,000 sq ft either.

It was clear months ago he wasn't going to get an inch more. With Chiofaro's deafening silence, it's time to move the Harbor Garage project to the stale proposal list. It really got it's final blow when Prudential affirmed Chiofaro, telling the BRA "we need 1.1 ~1.2million sq ft to make this work."

This city is great. It also blows. At 600'/900,000 sq ft, it would have been an uphill battle as it was..... and starved for height and density (re $$$ starved), i always worried the end product would have been less than it could have been, and thus instantly crucified by the snarky, liberal Bostonian haters and nimby's as well as a good number of others...

leaving the chances of a celebrated signature tower at the waterfront slim to none.

Chiofaro is realistic, and in Boston this gets relabled as being a bully. This has never made any sense to me. In any case, Chiofaro's motives get lost in the translation with a lot of people. I don't cast blame with DC, but with people's rampant selfish motives - for allowing such a sentiment to snowball.

the 2 tower proposal was a bad idea...

Don C never would have never been able to fight off the insane neighbors and conservationists in Boston occupying that much of the bitterly debated waterfront site.

To sell their project, they'd have needed to make a footprint of no more than about 40~45% on the northeast corner of the site, and the rest green grass flanking a Z shaped sidewalk (+ maybe a rink in one of the opposing sections during winter).... No brainer, as lot of people would have liked that and furiously snarled at the Harbor Tower residents.

@ 1 tower, they would need about 56 floors, ~620-640' at the roof, and 1.15 million sq ft of area.

We've seen this before with so many bad buildings getting built. Boston is a huge victim of it's opressive, snotty, unbending building rules. The result with this nuclear site, is getting nothing built here, or at best, a project 20 years late. Tragic.


as i wrote in the Globe,

People don't need to worry a lot that the waterfront will be harmed. This is the final piece. The entire area is built. The garage's with it's enormous footprint and 320' wall running parallel, to Atlantic Ave is blocking 100% of the view to the harbor from behind the Greenway and back up Milk and Broad Sts.

By comparison, Don's (now) single tower opens up the visibility to the waterfront, harbor + Aquarium at ground level (where 99.9% of the people are) exponentially.... The 900,000 sq ft limit, renders a minimal footprint - opens a huge right-of-way for pedestrians - and invites them to the waterfront. One sunken garage with a single tower rising above accomplishes it all.

It's also key to remember, that set back away from the building, whether it's built 12 stories or 54 stories, you don't gain or lose visibility to the waterfront, harbor or Aquarium from street level.

With the correct location of Chiofaro's highrise at the northeast corner of the site, shade on the Greenway will be minimal. Then, there will be a huge open space left on the property as well. We're not doing plazas much anymore in Boston, so, expect the Greenway's area to visually expand onto the Chiofaro tower site.

Because it's virtually the last parcel where density can be added in this part of the Downtown and waterfront, it's going to be one of last - if not the last significant residential structure that will be built in the area for a very long, long, long, long, long time....

With the rest of the current projects going up in at Govt Center, 1 Canal Triangle, Boston Garden and Lovejoy Wharf, the entire area is comprised of historical reserves, parks, green patches or is now built - as in Done.

There is no crisis of density here. And there never will be.

Because of the enormous costs and size to reach the break even point...

and because the boston.gov wants that horrific garage gone yesterday,

with honest stewardship, and dealing openly with the public, we'll get our next and last waterfront highrise.

This is fair... and equitable... and for the greater good.

We should be open to seeing this project for what it is - a huge net win for the city.


Please contact the BRA in their support of a single 600'/900,000 sq ft tower at the Harbor Garage site at 617.722.4300.
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Old January 30th, 2016, 08:34 AM   #491
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Old January 30th, 2016, 03:29 PM   #492
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But anyone familiar with Boston knows - that short of a formal declaration by Tom Menino that "WE'RE GONNA GO BIG HERE,' going big in Boston causes problems.
Anyone familiar with Boston should know that Tom Menino has been dead since 2014.... Marty Walsh has been Boston's mayor for the last 2+ years.
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yes, i should have been more clear for the readers from Fresno.

and to be clear, i know you live in the area as i read your posts on archbos.

implicit was that THE KING ain't around no more to preempt grandstanders like Shirley Kressel....

she hijacked a fair and judicious process that is going to be a huge boost for the people of Boston.

she's being branded a folk hero by the galactically stupid - instead of what she really is - another nimby pariah threatening Boston's future.

when i wrote it, the thought crossed my mind that someone would mention that Boston is no longer goverened by a king.

but i left it the way it was anyway.
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You do realize that every mayor in Boston is part of a strong mayor weak council government system so whether or not Menino is in power the mayor has that same level of influence in general. Also Menino overall was imho not a very positive influence on development a lot of development potential was wasted watering down designs that were "too iconic" and shortening proposals that were perfectly reasonable. I just don't see a lot of what was happening during his era as positive aside from some of the investments he led in the outer and more disadvantaged neighborhoods. Overall though he made a bigger contribution to the chronic under building in Boston than Walsh has so far. Although it remains to be seen if he meets his housing goals.

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In the strong-mayor form the elected mayor is given almost total administrative authority and a clear, wide range of political independence, with the power to appoint and dismiss department heads without council approval and little, or no public input. In this system, the strong-mayor prepares and administers the city budget, although that budget often must be approved by the council. Abuses in this form led to the development of the council–manager form of local government and its adoption widely throughout the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayor%...ong-mayor_form

The above is a definition of the type of city gov. Boston has so my point that it does not matter that Menino is gone is clearly well supported based on how that style of government works.
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