MARS ONE - Making a Mars settlement a reality!

[erbse]

Originally Posted by Kiboko

What will be the long term effects of this low gravity on the human body?

There are several studies on weightlessness (thanks to ISS of course). Rough overview.

We know that the gravity on Mars is apt for humans. They won't suffer as they'll do in zero gravity. Mars features around 38% of Earth's gravity. They'd still have to exercise regularily to adapt, but any healthy human being has to do some work out anyway, to keep up their health.

FAQ regarding this:

Will the astronauts develop osteoporosis?

Prolonged weightlessness causes osteoporosis, which can be reduced by exercise and medicine. The loss of bone density will be greatly reduced if the astronauts follow the prescribed exercise schedule. Research onboard the International Space Station has led to even better and more effective training programs being drawn up, and new machines being made specifically for astronauts. Conjointly, there have been major leaps forward in medications capable of partially preventing declining calcium levels.

A combination of exercise, proper equipment and medication means that osteoporosis can be minimized and the astronauts can function normally once on Mars. After arriving, the astronauts' bones are expected to quickly return to their original state of health.

http://mars-one.com/en/faq-en/19-faq...p-osteoporosis

[antysmok]

Originally Posted by erbse

Keep in mind: There won't be saggy tits on Mars like on Earth, because of the lower gravity.

If that ain't a place full of joy and splendour, tell me what is.


Anyway: The people going there are living for research, just like people in Antarctica are.
But some day, we'll be able to turn Mars into a true paradise similar to Earth (at least domed colonies there) - once we understood the planet better when being there.

BTW there are any plans about sex composition of first group ?
two pairs ? or four men ? or four sexy models hungry for fame?
I am joking but it could be important issue, I guess in early stage baby in Mars will be a huge complication but what more natural then that ?
Anyway probably to avoid any jokes on Darwin price that will be four mature men with past and grown up kids.

[erbse]

We definitely don't want a single-gender group. But we'll see how things develop.

In the end, the decision about who's going to Mars will be mostly made by the people.

[antysmok]

Originally Posted by erbse

We definitely don't want a single-gender group. But we'll see how things develop.

In the end, the decision about who's going to Mars will be mostly made by the people.

that perspective looks quite scary. Judging from experience of all this type of TV programs the composition will end-up as 3 fame hungry anorectic models and one guy who will will be only interested on body building. Lets hope
that at least one girl will be not only nice but also smart.
This is why I am a little bit skeptic about the so small group in my opinion first group should get at least 10 person.

ps. on other hand anorectics are not so bad choice, less supplies needed, in reduced gravitation they can function almost normally, they cannot reproduce so no chance of undesired pregnancy with mr. muscle
and relatively short life expectancy.

[goschio]

Originally Posted by erbse

[B]


The costs are quite laughable compared to all the money spent on modern day military.

Are you going to tell me we should spend more on military to fuel even more useless wars down here on Earth? This mission is scheduled for around 6 bln $, which is not even half the cost of a fucking useless aircraft carrier! USS Gerald R. Ford will eat up $13.5 billion of the US budget.
And still, keep in mind: NO FREAKING TAX PAYER'S MONEY WILL BE SPENT FOR MARS ONE. In contrast to any of all those laughable government spendings on military. It all will be private money spent here. So please people, stop worrying about the money spent for this mission. Thank you!

I really doubt this budget. No way you guys built a space colony on Mars for $6 billion. Add two zeros then you approach reality.

I am pretty sure there won't be a mars colony in 2030 or 2040 or even 2050.

[erbse]

Be sure about whatever you want. But that's an opinion only, nothing more. If you're not interested in the project than just stay away from this thread. Thank you.


(As opposed to private projects down here on Earth, this doesn't even harm any land- or cityscape. So why even bother?)

[erbse]

Originally Posted by antysmok

that perspective looks quite scary. Judging from experience of all this type of TV programs the composition will end-up as 3 fame hungry anorectic models and one guy who will will be only interested on body building.

People for such TV programs weren't selected by the public in general.

In addition, the selection of contestants will contain of specialists in certain fields, so we secure a professional approach here.

[superkyo]

Big brother Brazil had a profit of almost U$$ 200 millions in 2012.

That's only in one country and one season and show the potential of a success reality show.

I really want everything works, but I know it is very difficult and I'm not very optimistic.

[goschio]

The problem with the mars one reality show is that we will watch the death of a bunch of young people sent on a suicide mission. I am sure some people behind the scenes will cash in quite a bit. A new low in trash reality TV

[goschio]

Originally Posted by erbse

Be sure about whatever you want. But that's an opinion only, nothing more. If you're not interested in the project than just stay away from this thread. Thank you.


(As opposed to private projects down here on Earth, this doesn't even harm any land- or cityscape. So why even bother?)

I am interested in the program that's why I post here. But its completely unrealistic to a degree that its quite comical.

Common, MarsOne has absolutely no experience in space exploration.

Even for NASA its quite a huge undertaking to explore Mars with Rovers and lots of stuff can go wrong and goes wrong. Its an enormous task to simply move the rover over the martian landscape and you guys from MarsOne want to built a space colony with robotic rovers and sent people there? That's just laughable.

Might work as a fake mars landing somewhere in Arizona and produce some trashy reality out of it.

[goschio]

Mars Mission Reality Show: Pipe Dream Or Scam?


June 5, 2012 5:18 PM EDT

Dutch company Mars One says it wants to send people to the Red Planet after running them through the reality TV wringer - but appears to be ill-prepared for actual spaceflight.


Dutch company Mars One claims it wants to settle people on Mars after picking astronauts through a reality show competition -- but doesn't say much about how it'll be possible for them to live there.
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Mars One says it wants to start selecting astronauts in 2013 and training them on a replica of the settlement out in the desert. The company says it will launch supplies in 2016, followed by the first four astronauts in 2022. The volunteer extraterrestrial settlers would all be traveling on a one-way ticket.

Several questions spring up almost immediately: how wise is it to select astronauts 10 years before a mission starts through reality show casting? Is any of this technologically feasible at this point in time? Is Mars One a hoax, a media stunt capitalizing on the fact that private spaceflights are in the headlines now thanks to SpaceX, or an overreaching pipe dream?

The company lists only one engineer amongst its four-person team on its website, and trumpets the endorsements of "Big Brother" co-creator Paul Romer as well as Nobel Prize winner and physicist Gerard 't Hooft - though 't Hooft's expertise lies in quantum mechanics, not astronomy.
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A man claiming to be Mars One founder Bas Landsdorp appeared Friday on the popular website Reddit to take questions on the project, and was quickly met with a storm of skepticism.


Reddit users knocked Landsdorp, saying Mars One has not yet put out any concrete technical explanations of how they will get to Mars and support the proposed habitats. Some pointed out that NASA has had issues with solar panels on its Mars rovers because of dust storms that erode the panels' surfaces and block the sunlight for long periods of time, making Mars One's plans to use solar panels for energy generation unsustainable for supporting human life.

But the man claiming to be Landsdorp mostly steered clear of the more scientific questions and directed users to the company's website.

One user going by the handle arcanosis commented: "This is almost certainly a publicity stunt. Your answers are nontechnical, imprecise, absurdly optimistic, even quixotic."

If Mars One turns out to be a hoax, it wouldn't be the first such stunt originating from the Netherlands in recent months. Dutch artist Floris Kaayk hoodwinked much of the media with his "Human Birdwings" project in March, in which he posted YouTube videos purportedly showing a human-powered pair of mechanical wings.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/3489...-questions.htm

[antysmok]

If Gerard 't Hooft is there I give my faith in that project.
Your objection Goschio looks similar to the one raised against Musk when he switched to build Space X. Obviously, ambitious projects has low success rates
but only this kind of projects helps humanity to progress.

What I like in it is their commitment to use technology already existing.
This will be a switch from current model where most of the founds are used for developing new technology in space agencies, to use already in hand solutions
for ambitious mission. Then progress will be made based on feedback and efficiency by private companies.
We have a technology to flight to moon for already 40 years. If it was used for these 40 years, the progress on efficiency and reliability would be enormous.

I wonder about another aspect of the project, these pictures from last years showing that mars soil is basically full of frozen water, let me think by analogy
that it is more or less like permanent frozen ground on earth. Human habitat will be a permanent source of heat. I wonder about stability of these constructions in such ground. Paradoxically perhaps habitats should be chosen somewhere where there is less water ?

[kicaj]

In 2013, you want to select astronauts for the mission and begin training in the model base on the earth. Is any action to build the training base already started?
Who will pay for this training base?

But the equipment for creating bricks out of Martian material will be available on Mars

Buildings made ​​of bricks is of course a great idea.
Its not new idea, but I want you to explain, how these bricks will be made and how astronauts will have to build buildings. How bricks are combined and how the ceilings will be done?
If astroanuci would have to do this similar like on earth, they need a comfortable suit. Maybe biosuit would be useful.

[antysmok]

Another question,
the amount of solar energy reaching Mars is more or less 50% of that at Earth orbit. Mission obviously is not going to have nuclear power, at least at the beginning. Are the solar cells enough to provide energy for the colony ?
There are any work on solar cells resisting to harsh Martian weather (sand scratching the surface ), cheap and light enough to be send on such mission?
What about accumulating the energy for Martian long winter or periods of sand covering the sky? batteries are quiet heavy.

[whitechoco]

Hope it will be a success, to make a movie about it better than Mission to Mars or Red planet.

[erbse]

^ It definitely will be a more pleasant experience to watch than those cheesy pieces of Hollywood junk, I assure you

[erbse]

Originally Posted by goschio

The problem with the mars one reality show is that we will watch the death of a bunch of young people sent on a suicide mission. I am sure some people behind the scenes will cash in quite a bit. A new low in trash reality TV

You didn't even understand what this is about. If you're not willing to educate yourself about the project, please leave.

Originally Posted by goschio

I am interested in the program that's why I post here. But its completely unrealistic to a degree that its quite comical.

Common, MarsOne has absolutely no experience in space exploration.

Even for NASA its quite a huge undertaking to explore Mars with Rovers and lots of stuff can go wrong and goes wrong. Its an enormous task to simply move the rover over the martian landscape and you guys from MarsOne want to built a space colony with robotic rovers and sent people there? That's just laughable.

You didn't even understand a bit. Mars One is working with high profile researchers (Mr t' Hooft obviously isn't even a term to you) and experienced suppliers that were involved in building the most recent Mars equipment, such as the Curiosity rover.
As well as SpaceX, that managed the first private supply mission to ISS successfully and will continue to supply NASA and other space agencies for even way more complicated missions. There's a Mars lander (Red Dragon) ready for takeoff as well. Educate yourself about the project before stating such bonkers BS. http://mars-one.com/en/about-mars-one/suppliers

Again: Obviously you're not even willing to get into major aspects of the project. So discussing this with you doesn't make any sense, really.

[ikops]

Originally Posted by erbse

Astronauts aren't supposed to have babies on Mars for the first years, as it's not safe to get a baby there as long as there aren't enough medical facilities etc. to serve such purposes. Perhaps after 20 years or something that's an option though.

No, but they do want to have sex. They have to stay there for a long time. And you can't just say to them: Talk to the hand!

[erbse]

And btw:

SpaceX founder talks Mars with Caltech grads
Elon Musk encourages students to pursue his vision of humans settling on Red Planet

PASADENA, Calif. - 6/15/2012
Fresh off SpaceX's historic return from the International Space Station, company founder Elon Musk said Friday that he would like to see humans settle Mars and become a "multi-planet species."


Elon Musk, co-founder of SpaceX and Tesla Motors, speaks at the California Institute of Technology commencement ceremony in Pasadena, Calif., on Friday.

The 40-year-old entrepreneur reiterated his vision to graduates at the California Institute of Technology, a private university 10 miles northeast of Los Angeles known for its science and engineering programs.
Musk said he hoped some of the newly minted graduates would work toward Mars colonization, either at SpaceX or another outfit.

"You guys are the magicians of the 21st century. Don't let anything hold you back," he said. "Imagination is the limit ... go out there and create some magic."

Musk made headlines last month when SpaceX became the first private company to make a roundtrip supply run to the space station — a task that had been dominated by governments. With NASA's space shuttle fleet retired, the space agency is outsourcing the job to private industry.

(...)The South African-born Musk, who made his fortune at PayPal Inc., founded Space Exploration Technologies Corp. a decade ago and has poured millions of his own wealth into the rocket startup.

Source: MSNBC

[erbse]

Originally Posted by ikops

No, but they do want to have sex. They have to stay there for a long time. And you can't just say to them: Talk to the hand!

They won't have to They can talk to the pussy all they want but shouldn't have kids before the medical means aren't there. There are many possible solutions for this aspect and they're currently discussed in the Health and Ethics task force.