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Old May 16th, 2016, 05:11 PM   #181
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Former mayor finished design opera house project in nodul(in the middle of han river) with $40 million and prepare under construction.
but he resign before project U/C

copyright to http://cafe.naver.com/pajeori/1051

copyright to http://blog.naver.com/etocat/220128516656

But seoul mayor changed to new person then Now seoul mayor suddenly dismiss this project and to make "green plant" on there!
$ 40 millions seoulites tax money go to waste box when opera house design disappear!
According to the OECD report Seoul is one of lowest cultural seats per citizens though. even though accoding to survey over 70% seoulite(citizens) agreed the opera house project to built in Nodul island.
Opera house project disappear by Seoul mayor alone decision!
and to make "city farming" on there!




I 1000% behind with you. your opinions very true in my city's phenomenon!
I really surprised that this kind of anti skyscraper/ anti develop tendency common in your country and my country. It really interesting comment for me.
I want to study with sociology about this opinions!!
kimahrikku1 this guy glad and suddenly write comment in here when aqukiatko mention his name in comment! both of them love each other?
Seoul Mayor supporters again troll in this thread.
They will praise him even park won sun destroy seoul. Hey bros
This thread talking about stalled project News in seoul. not talking about your useless troll and amok. Don;t you read thread title?

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Is there any country where socialists don't hate skyscrapers?

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Now seoul suffer under Anti skyscraper policy.
I gonna made a list soon what stalled projects in seoul. Base on news and fact
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Old May 16th, 2016, 05:17 PM   #182
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Seoul Mayor supporters again troll in this thread.
They will praise him even park won sun destroy seoul. Hey bros
This thread talking about stalled project News not talking about your useless troll. ok?



I agreed that
Sadly for you, there is a middle ground between "Mayor Park is the second coming of the antichrist" and supporting Mayor Park. But that's a distinction your lack of common sense and critical thinking don't allow you to recognize....
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Old May 16th, 2016, 05:23 PM   #183
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http://www.hankyung.com/news/app/new...=2016051097861
Above article is editorial article of HANKYOUNG(korea economy news paper) about seoul mayor's recent city plan.
HANKYOUNG paper is most prominent paper in korea journal like BLOOMBERG/FT.
So below translation is not my opinions but news paper's thinking.
Plz read below my translation(EXCUSE MY BAD ENLGISH)

Seoul show us Many differents ways but excellent(?) method How to slum and falling behind seoul city!

Recently '2025 seoul city master plan" was public open by park won sun seoul mayor.
The point is to restrict building's height 90m(20fl) below inner CBD area of seoul.
Furthermore Some developing area of CBD's developing zone dismiss by 2025 seoul city master plan. Which mean to preserved old concrete building by itself instead of to redeveloping,remodeling with huge size.
Seoul mayor insist that harmony between preserved and developing.

It seems make sense when first hearing. But second thought he(mayor) guided by fault idea that "to preserved is good thing but developing is bad things!"
I think he didn't understand the spirits of city's evolution whichmean city become more develop and integration as time passing by.
Seoul mayor's plan opposite with world mega city's trend that "to release restriction,regulation" inside city such like TOKYO did.

I'm not surprised cause I(writer journalist) have been saw many ridiculous "ANTI-CITY POLICY" by park won sun mayor who propaganda 마을공동체(promote village community movement)

Also it is so funny for me to restrict new building's height as 90m below due to harmony with lowest height mountain 낙산naksan mountain's height.
Is to built 20fl building is beautiful but to built 30fl building is ugly?
He totally misunderstand deep philosophy in developing. Ironically, to built 30fl or 40fl more height building more easily to preserved old architecture and made public space!
If seoul mayor don't want 20fl uniformity skyline then he must release restrict and allow more freedom to designers/architecture right now!

If seoul mayor's plan will not withdraw then seoul will be more more "falling behind and slum"
For example around 익선동iksundong·낙원동nakwondong, 인의동ineudong·효제동hyujaedong, 종로5가jongro5 avenue, 주교동joogyodong·오장동ohjangdong·충무로5가chungmuro 5 avenue, 동대문디자인플라자(DDP dongdaemun design plaza) will be slummy as same ugly building since japan regime! Think about these area remain with development thoughtless for the environment since japan regime.
With massive capital and huge size developing is more environment friendly as by architecture technology improved.

Seoul will be slowly recession and destroy by anti developing idea "Let's it be Dirty city itself"!

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Please don't confused above article's writer as me(inno4321) Above article's writer is not me but 정규재(mr chung kyou jae) who famous journalist in korea economy.
He thinking exactly same way what i thinking.


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Sadly for you, there is a middle ground between "Mayor Park is the second coming of the antichrist" and supporting Mayor Park. But that's a distinction your lack of common sense and critical thinking don't allow you to recognize....

btw Did you receive korea police inform recently? not yet? violation copyright law
u illegally quote my lotte tower supertall U/C photos from SSC/Frickr to daum skyscraper cafe. it is serious crime in korea copyright law
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Old May 16th, 2016, 05:38 PM   #184
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Not sure if that was a shout out or an attempt to criticize my work hahaha.

It was a shout-out. Just pointing out Inno's hypocrisy--he has an entire thread dedicated to Mayor Park's height restrictions, yet does nothing and says nothing about all of the ~100m projects throughout the city.

Frankly, I think that's because he knows that statistically speaking, most of South Korea's high-rise projects are garbage built by people just looking to make a bunch of money without caring about how what they do affects the rest of the city, never mind how it affects Seoul's image, which he claims to care so much about.

It's an obsession with quantity that affects a lot of Korean conservatives--the right-wing economists who emphasize growth over everything else, the chaebol executives who just keep expanding their empires as their companies lose profit and gain debt, the bureaucrats who care about nothing more than South Korea's economic rankings, and selectively choose to ignore the bad rankings to trump the good ones. The fact that it's an attitude that was shared by a lot of totalitarian communist nations is particularly ironic.

It wouldn't bother me so much if it didn't mean neglecting so many important acts of Korean society, but it's an attitude that ends up creating and enabling the creation of a lot of genuine suffering among Korean people. That's why Inno's attitude--as a reflection of the conservative Korean mindset--really rankles.
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Old May 16th, 2016, 05:40 PM   #185
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btw Did you receive korea police inform recently? not yet? violation copyright law
u illegally quote my lotte tower supertall U/C photos from SSC/Frickr to daum skyscraper cafe. it is serious crime in korea copyright law
Yes, I was taken into custody by the Korean SWAT yesterday. I'm scared I'm gonna end up in jail for the rest of my life...

Especially since the only time I've ever posted on the daum skyscraper cafe was when I signed up. I do check the cafe on a daily basis, but have never posted, except for that self-introduction post. So I'm very afraid you got the wrong user. But nice try.

Also, or someone who criticized people who were "trolling on the forum", nice to see you were the one who derailed the topic by talking about copyrights or whatever because you're unable to actually have an constructive argument with anyone.
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Old May 16th, 2016, 06:14 PM   #186
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한강 by ohyecloudy, Flickr에서

Han river

http://news.donga.com/3/all/20150206/69506401/1


Seoul mayor try to demolish "Barrier in Han River"!
Han River is flow very middle of city. But actually this river not long deep but low then dry season.
But to built barrier in side river it can always high deep water flow.
and easily control water.

However recently seoul mayor suggest project "to demolish those barrier" in han river.







old&original han river is like this above.

Seoul mayor want to return old river's landscape. So for the purpose old han river. seoul try to demolish Big barrier of han river(beginning park/end part one )
Now These barrier function as block water. If demolish these one then water flow out all into sea and end up han river become like above landscape.
And of course boat and ship can not floating&moving on the han river.
A lot of sand beach will return

But ministry of land&transfer+ministry of korea military opposite that plan.
especially If barrier demolish then Nkorea's specially force boat easily access into seoul.

In short
-Seoul mayor try to demolish han river's barrier(which block water and lifting water's deep)
-If barrier demolish then han river become above photos.
-He insist that old han river's more natural and good for seoulites
-No more ship no more water sport but beach sands
-Original han river is more good? what your opinions?
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I'm kind of mixed on that one. It is nice to see the Han running strong and full through the city, but then, I've never heard of people complaining about having a beach in a city. Those people in those old photos seem to be having a good time. If it's better for the environment, too, then I say tear the barrier down.

And I'm not very worried about North Korea invading Seoul through the Han. I'm honestly not that worried about what North Korea does with respect to South Korea, generally, but that's a potentially long conversation that I've no real interest in engaging in.
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If it's better for the environment, too, then I say tear the barrier down.

And I'm not very worried about North Korea invading Seoul through the Han. I'm honestly not that worried about what North Korea does with respect to South Korea, generally, but that's a potentially long conversation that I've no real interest in engaging in.
ONE THING IS sure that this guy's opinions Opposite with ministry of land&transfer and Ministry of korea military due to eco damage and terrorism
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The ecological damage was done before, when the barrier was first erected, interrupting the natural course of the river. However, I suppose that you could argue that the surrounding environment has adapted to its new state, and that taking down the barrier would be just another interruption, but I didn't hear you say that.

And I'm not really paying attention to what MOLIT has to say about environmentalism...ever. In the past, they've done Saemangeum, The Four Rivers "Restoration" Project, Songdo; now they're doing these Inno Cities....They clearly don't give a damn about South Korea's natural environment.

And the threat of terrorism in South Korea is absolutely minimal. I didn't want to get into it, but I have nothing else to do today. North Korea isn't stupid; they know that if they did anything to genuinely hurt South Korea, they'd be finished. Not even China is all that supportive of the current regime, as President Park has (in her one area of apparent skill--foreign policy) been smart enough to make China realize that South Korea is more important to it than North Korea, even--arguably--for geopolitical reasons.

North Korea poses as little threat now as it ever has. Anything that the military says to the contrary, in defense of something else, is what we call a red herring: a distraction, and a lie.
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thanks aquaticko you are the contributor who this thread. plz more comment in here
I gonna keep update other stalled project news more
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Old May 19th, 2016, 02:56 PM   #191
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Anti development seoul Breaking News


Now demolish process STOP due to opposite seoul mayor park won sun


finally Seoul mayor gone cr** lol
Yesterday video taken at Okbalaji development project site.

This area to develop as residence.

Seoul Joungro district office approved ALL administration procedure to this project.
But some building owners opposite demolish and file a legal sue and asking stop project.
End Up they fail in seoul civil court. and judege order to demolish begin
So all procedure is legal justified so demolish begin

HOWEVER yesterday suddenly seoul mayor go to demolish site and argue and ORDER TO STOP DEMOLISH RIGHT NOW!!!
mayor said many wording but one of them "(Block worker) Don't you know I am Seoul mayor? ....... I don't care if i file a sue! To stop demolish. From now on no more U/C" Please look above photos's remain building most of them located in front of Main road.

Now this is very big news in skorea!

Can you imagine? That project approved by seoul. Project begin many years ago. Furthermore Project approved finally by seoul court!
But Seoul mayor suddenly go to site and to stalled all project by his FEW word!
Lady n gentle man this is SEOUL NOT PYONGYANG!
So powefull than korea court and judge!
Seoul has no law but seoul mayor is KING!
This is anti develop phenomenon in seoul. this is real comedy.
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Old May 20th, 2016, 01:58 AM   #192
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Anti development seoul Breaking News
HOWEVER yesterday suddenly seoul mayor go to demolish site and argue and ORDER TO STOP DEMOLISH RIGHT NOW!!!
mayor said many wording but one of them "(Block worker) Don't you know I am Seoul mayor? ....... I don't care if i file a sue! To stop demolish. From now on no more U/C" Please look above photos's remain building most of them located in front of Main road.

Now this is very big news in skorea!

Can you imagine? That project approved by seoul. Project begin many years ago. Furthermore Project approved finally by seoul court!
But Seoul mayor suddenly go to site and to stalled all project by his FEW word!
Lady n gentle man this is SEOUL NOT PYONGYANG!
So powefull than korea court and judge!
Seoul has no law but seoul mayor is KING!
This is anti develop phenomenon in seoul. this is real comedy.
i am waiting your thread of this..

yes this is mayor park's fault.

he is too late.

but why did not mention about that area have some argument ???



this is old pic of that area you can the priosn (use for anti-Japan activist while japanese invasion) and small village is that demolish area.

many pple said supply a anti-Japan activist prisoner with clothes and food from the village.

but cannot fine many corroborative facts.

so some history sholars and pple who live in there want wait for find more fact and conservation.

but didn't wait.. even thought here will be very historical area.

so even if too late mayor park doing this..
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i ..

You better than Judge and public officer.
Judge&officer should learn from you cause their intelligent is poor level. So court&seoul government decision wrong they should learn from you.

BTW
I know you like that mayor. Don;t you take a photo seoul project and uploaded in SSC?
I disappointed that you enthusiastic about advised seoul mayor whenever bad new report about him who ban skyscraper
Would You dispense your energy in skyscraper and seoul project more? I never saw your photo in ssc
you live in mapo hongdae. I live geumchoengu but I take a photo your hometown's project "danginlee plant underground"!
Contribute your time and share your photo with other global friend rather than fight for idol

btw wait a minute soon other bros will add comment below who warrior of mayor.
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http://www.dt.co.kr/contents.html?ar...02109976036006

According to national inspect "Seoul mayor reduce SOC(social over head capital) budget about $450 millions" berating

Today national inspection held.
According to paper seoul mayor park won sung who opposite party reduce SOC budget $450 millions.
Meanwhile increase welfare budget about $8 billions in seoul city.
So many seoul's infrastructure such like a main road,building getting old and make problem.
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Serious conflict between citizens and seoul mayor about skyline limited as below 35fl
Seoul mayor strong limited 35fl guide line in city develop council.
So many civil redvelopment project stalled due to 35fl
Jamsil
Eunma
Banpo
Apgujuong project stop!
total 61 project 50 thousand apartment house built project stalled by 35fl mayor regulation

they must redesign rendering and tremendous damaged on economy feasibility

If can not built over 35fl then they should built "fat ugly apartment" with horizontal direction. that is terrible for skyline

according to the report one developer say "If seoul mayor limited 35fl regulation then boring skyline damage seoul city's landscape. Look BUSAN haundae skyline they allow tall building and then this tall building changed busan city's skyline. Seoul must learn from busan"
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Seoul already has too many apartment buildings for its market size. Things are expected to begin slowing down as early as next year.

As we've been over a thousand times, Seoul doesn't need quantity; it needs quality. Enough with the >30 floor commieblock apartments. Enough with the obsession about the skyline looking good from afar (so reflective of the lesser aspects of modern Korea). Give us some fantastically-designed low rises with excellent pedestrian friendliness and street activation.
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shin panpo 1cha to built follow 35fl below limited!




http://post.naver.com/viewer/postVie...vType=VERTICAL

give incentive to built taller in steady of donation ground as public parking or walking board access han river,
above 첼리투스 leave land as "EMPTY SPACE" for the purpose to make wind way and sightseeing landscape.


Let's compare with between park won sung's 35fl(first) and before 35fl limited!
first one destroy seoul river skyline!
I don;t want live in first one look ugly and suffocating

If limited below 35fl then apartment should built more fat and widen horizontal direction!
Whichmean "land's using effective" damage So they reduce pedestrian friendly and park ratio rather than to built taller

So far Seoul receive donation from civil apartment project as like public park/pedestrian bridge access into han river in steady of to allow to built taller.
But now finished. they no need donation when they just built 35fl below !

This is not about "quantity but about "QUALITY"


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As we've been over a thousand times, Seoul doesn't need quantity; it needs quality. Enough with the >30 floor commieblock apartments. Enough with the obsession about the skyline looking good from afar (so reflective of the lesser aspects of modern Korea). Give us some fantastically-designed low rises with excellent pedestrian friendliness and street activation.
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None of those things is a necessary part of shorter building developments. The public donation requirement for taller buildings could easily be extended to lower buildings. You can have beautifully-designed structures that are 10 or 100 stories tall. There's enough space in Korea to allow shorter buildings, especially if the future of Korean cities includes much smaller roads and more centralized locations (which it should).

This idea that height surrounded by green space is good for a city is very outdated, and, at this point, proven wrong by decades of experience all over the world. The only people this mentality truly serves are developers.
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"Seoul should upgrade city's potential ability by to built more skyscrapers in the city!
Even TOKYO dismiss height limit regulation around Tokyo imperial palace!" say Mr mori hirowoo vice president of mori building


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None of those things is a necessary part of shorter building developments. The public donation requirement for taller buildings could easily be extended to lower buildings. You can have beautifully-designed structures that are 10 or 100 stories tall. There's enough space in Korea to allow shorter buildings, especially if the future of Korean cities includes much smaller roads and more centralized locations (which it should).

This idea that height surrounded by green space is good for a city is very outdated, and, at this point, proven wrong by decades of experience all over the world. The only people this mentality truly serves are developers.

No you wrong
20 years ago Tokyo worry about skyscraper but now they return to built skyscraper booming policy cause they end up understand skyscraper is good for city's prosperity.
outdate? proven wrong? You mean Tokyo return to outdate idea?
I don't think so.

Seoul's 35fl limit just prove that how can one socialist destroy big city's future by anti develop philosophy.
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Potentially, yes, Inno; Tokyo may prove to have returned to an outdated ideal. Besides, most of the buildings going up in Chiyoda, the district around the imperial palace, are office buildings. Those aren't built on real estate speculation half as much as residential buildings, because they're sold in big chunks, not individual units like residential units are. Additionally, Tokyo's streets are generally much, much narrower than Seoul's, which makes a huge difference in terms of local environment (quality of life for pedestrians, environmental friendliness). They also aren't surrounded by a bunch of more-or-less unused green space that separates them from the surrounding neighborhood.

Besides, what's right or wrong for Tokyo may or may be right or wrong for Seoul. They're very different cities in a lot of ways. However, one thing that's proven true, time and again, is that tall buildings don't make a city; livability and identity do. A bunch more commieblock apartment developments--which, going by number, are almost exclusively what is built not just in Seoul, but South Korea as a whole (hence the trouble of establishing a unique identity for Seoul)--surrounded by patches of grass and a few trees won't do anything for either.

I'd say that Seoul already has a pretty strong identity: the mountains, the river, Namsan, Gwanghwamun, and now Lotte World Tower and the Hyundai HQ tower. It--once again, along with the rest of Korea--needs to focus on livability now.

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