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Old October 28th, 2016, 08:16 AM   #201
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Simulation : Apartment citizens want to built 45fl(right) But seoul mayor want to 35fl(left)! Public donation 45fl more large scale compare with 35fl
compare between 35fl regulation and none
whichone more looks like "commie block"?
Sure Absolutely 35fl height limit make more "commie block" in seoul. And suffocating seoul's landscape. And furthermore hide behind mountain with building.
As you see above simulation 35fl limit make seoul like a Military unified city. That philosophy came from "Collectivism rather than Individualism"

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A bunch more commieblock apartment developments--which, going by number, are almost exclusively what is built not just in Seoul, but South Korea as a whole (hence the trouble of establishing a unique identity for Seoul)--surrounded by patches of grass and a few trees won't do anything for either. .
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Old October 28th, 2016, 08:51 AM   #202
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...Uh, it wouldn't need to be a "collectivist, military" style of development if Korean land owners and developers cared at all about anything other than profit, or if Korean consumers were more open to adventurous design even at the expense of ability to resell. Residential design is very advanced--very individualistic--in a lot of other parts of the world; there's every reason it should be so in Seoul, too.

Inno, I'd agree that the height restriction was bad if there was any reason to believe that that is what was holding back architecture. However, as dozens and dozens of tall but bland concrete blocks all over the city--and the rest of the country--show, height has nothing to do with good design and unique identity.

I find it particularly hypocritical of you to say that height restrictions are holding back design in Seoul when you always ignore the many boring, ugly residential development threads that kimahrikku1 keeps updated (much to his credit). Even the plain, anonymous developments in Geumcheon-gu, just down the street from where you live, prove you wrong.
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Old October 28th, 2016, 09:22 AM   #203
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Original Seoul Sky regulation
Now destroy above all creative design and turn to 35fl below regulation.
So Most redevelopment project stop and Architecture complain they can't make creative design due to 35fl limit
present(top)
35fl regulation simulation(middle)
original seoul's skyline plan(bottom)

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I find it particularly hypocritical of you to say that height restrictions are holding back design in Seoul .

I'm not
I find it particularly hypocritical of you.
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Old October 28th, 2016, 11:35 AM   #204
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If architects need at least 35 floors for creativity, then they must not be very creative. I know there are quite a few architects in South Korea who do excellent design in short buildings; mostly, land owners and developers don't want to pay for them.

Besides, as I said before, looking at the heights and designs of buildings that have been and are currently being built in Seoul, it's obvious that height isn't what's holding back the city's architecture.

Seriously, Inno; if you think height is what will bring creativity, how do you explain all the tall but boring things currently being built?

Edit: Also, now that I'm not at work, I can better see those graphics you've posted. "View corridors"....Honestly. How often do you expect people to be standing around looking at a gap between buildings up in the air? That's particularly ironic considering how little attention is often paid to street-level development. Like a broken record, I'll point out the too-wide roads, as well as the poor or totally absent street-level engagement which plague Seoul at street level, where most people who don't want to be hit by cars look all the time. Given the amazing ways in which the hills and mountains throughout and surrounding Seoul insert themselves into almost every perspective in the city, Seoul is one of the lucky few megacities in the world where the natural landscape doesn't really need attention brought to it. And the idea of constructing 50 floor towers to attract attention to the natural environment is, once again, very ironic.

Critical thinking, Inno. Critical thinking.
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Old October 28th, 2016, 06:53 PM   #205
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TODAY official reject 35fl proposal by apgujung residences people
85% citizens reject seoul mayor's 35fl guide line So project stalled. P.S. total owner2454 but 2083 vote for reject
They will not follow seoul's 35fl guide line

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If architects need at least 35 floors for creativity,
IMO heerim architecter firm's designer can't critical thinking. They should learn from Von aquaticko sir. And learn what is architecter it is.
Cause they express complain about 35fl guide line.
return to basic, aquaticko. return to basic
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Old October 28th, 2016, 11:23 PM   #206
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You still haven't answered my question, Inno. If height restrictions are what's holding back design in the city, why do we have so many dull towers going up all round the city anyway? You think that all of a sudden, skyscrapers are automatically well-designed if they're over 35 floors tall? Like good architects say, "oh look, we can make this building 36 floors tall, now we can be creative?

If Heerim is saying that the 35 floor restriction is a big deal, then that leads me to think that my opinion of them as primarily known for blue glass boxes that'd be boring everywhere else in the world but are "special" in South Korea due to the low standards of design for most buildings, is correct. I love what they did with the Mirae Asset towers in Jongno, and the Four Seasons Hotel is nice, too, but if they honestly can't make great designs with less than three dozen floors, well, that looks bad for them.

In any case, architects have only so much say on how a building will look. They have to work with clients' expectations, and if the backlash against this regulation proves anything, it's that way too many developers, land owners, and consumers in South Korea have no imagination and no passion for design, at least when it comes to architecture. Once again, I'm amazed by the potential of South Korea, but disappointed with the end result.
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Old October 29th, 2016, 08:15 AM   #207
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Above Youtube news link block So please visiting directly visiting YUTUBE SITE ==>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x7zMmyJDWI





http://www.hankyung.com/news/app/new...=2016070766121

No 1 Major Korea News KBS report(korea's NHK) that " Seoul's SOC project stalled 15 sites about $600 millions cost disappear"

For example According to the report
World Cup Bridge U/C stop and stand still for 6 years just stand concrete core in river.
Did you remember when 2002 Korea- Japan world cup held? at 2002!!
cause when seoul mayor take office he arrange world cup bridge as not immediately need project. Cause SEOUL MAYOR concentrated on "Social welfare budget increase policy" rather than SOC/city rebuilding/sustain and to built new infrastructure

So seoul's budget cut on bridge U/C! So bridge completion date delay to at August 2015 and then again completion delayed to 2017 and then last years again delayed to 2020. and then again seoul mayor delayed bridge date to at Feb 2021!!!!

Now SAMSUNG C&T almost stop U/C and many heavy machine spend a lot of sustain money.

Furthermore as by world cup bridge stalled Many citizens suffer traffic jams and spent a lot of social waste.
All commute car rush into 성산대교 sungsandae bridge. This bridge safety check "C" degree whichmean very dangerous! But 250,000 car a day go and out through this dangerous bridge due to delayed completion of World Cup bridge

According to the above KBS news Not only world cup bridge but also 15 other major SOC seoul project delayed. <=I have no time so I just introduce just one case =world cup bridge!

Yes this is aquati's love seoul mayor's real philosophy. 35fl height limit one of them. irrational


World cup bridge site road view http://map.naver.com/index.nhn?vrpan...4d14ea&enc=b64
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Old October 29th, 2016, 03:39 PM   #208
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Who said I love Mayor Park? I'm just not simple enough to think tall always means better.

As for him playing around with Seoul's budget, you should blame your national government. Metropolitan and provincial governments in South Korea are much more in debt than the national government, because the national government still thinks that it's at risk for another IMF crisis, and so keeps building up foreign exchange reserves, tries to keep the national debt down to developing-country levels to avoid inflation that Korean consumers desperately need to reduce their debt (paradoxically weakening the economy be reducing domestic consumption), and neglects social welfare spending--meaning that city governments like the mayor of Seoul's have to take on social welfare spending itself, instead of being able to invest in social welfare AND infrastructure.
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Old October 29th, 2016, 05:00 PM   #209
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Anti develop policy in seoul

One city But TWO different Bridge!!!



Above project is
"seoul station overpass make as pedestrian friendly park"!
Now U/C
This project begin by Seoul mayor park won sun. He regime seoul ever longest "seat" in seoul mayor(he twice reelected as mayor)
But he didn't nothing about seoul's rebuilding
So seoul citizens complain about that but he is famous anti developer also hate skyscraper project.
So he suddenly announced that he will remake Old seoul station overpass as walking park!!!
that is above project!




World cup bridge!! 6 years stand in there with ugly concrete core on river!
Very important infrastructure project for seoul!
A day 250,000 commute car rush into safety "C" grade sungsandae bridge
But seoul mayor cut the budget So completion date delayed 4 times!!
actually this bridge must open now But completion date 2021!!!!!!

What a "irrational" mayor's policy!
one bridge stop construction but other bridge make walking board?
I'll not go to Seoul overpass park. I know seoul well that is terrible and useless dangerous ridiculous overpass park.
safety grade is "D"!!!! think about what happen when earthquake hit seoul.
Absolutely that overpass park will be "collapse".
Seoul citizens need world cup bridge and other infrastructure!!!
He doesn't care about Seoul's future or prosperity
Seoul is real decay day by day very serious.
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Old November 1st, 2016, 12:15 PM   #210
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http://biz.chosun.com/site/data/html...103102772.html

SAMSUNG C&T give up weeraeshinsa new light rail transit project due to economical feasibility
Meanwhile Seoul government never mind what they do. Seoul mayor break promise with citizens So criticism against seoul mayor/government.
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Seoul mayor reject above eunma apartment redevelop due to height limit regulation
Enma design 50fl suggest to seoul but seoul mayor 2 times reject cause All apartment in seoul must built 35fl below
So project stop
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50FL landmark disappear due to Seoul mayor opposite
Hannam 5 area to built 22fl instead of 50FL 2634 houses

Again Seoul lost another New landmark due to seoul mayor park won sung e
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http://land.hankyung.com/news/app/ne...=2017010353611
Seoul mayor again reject Eunma apartment project
Eunma apartment project re-design from 50fl to 49fl due to seoul mayor's opposite
But Yesterday Seoul reject 49fl design too.
"49fl too tall to built. Enma should built 35fl below" say Seoul
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http://news.mk.co.kr/newsRead.php?no=9290&year=2017

Seoul mayor hide professional study report from civil institute.
According to the 매경
In Jan, "Seoul apartment design improve"'서울시 아파트 디자인특화방안' report suggest to housing&city develop division of seoul city.
According to the report "Seoul shouldn't height floor limited as 35fl. As far as Seoul limited height regulation in apartment then seoul's skyline will be dumb and apartment can't design as creative shape and Seoul apartment used to rebuilt as boxy shape ugly design. Moreover seoul apartment become more unifying due to 35fl limit regulation" So report persuade "dismiss 35fl limit policy of seoul mayor."
And recommend "complex skyline design. especially for Han riverside." and report recommend "special design zone in seoul apartment and allow tall building to built in apartment."
'입체적 디자인 라인' '세계적인 수변공간 창출' 등을 강조했다. 보고서에는 '특별건축구역 지정 등을 통해 건축디자인의 다양성을 확보하고, 통경축에 대한 계획·관리를 통해 도시내부~한강으로의 열린 경관을 창출해야 한다'는 내용도 들어가 있다.

In short this report asking "to dismiss 35fl regulation and height limit for the purpose to built creative design. Cause with height increase incentive can compensation to built creative design. If there is strong height floor limit then civil apartment to built boring/unifying shape apartment "

But this report didn't inform to seoul mayor due to report contain opposite opinions with Seoul mayor's 35fl regulation.
I'm so shy this is seoul's democracy's poor level.

I surprise that this report 100% agreed with my opinion and critic about seoul policy. Is this report made by inno4321?No
this report result by housing&city develop division of seoul city! They asking to professional institute and pay for that. But received opposite study result. It make perplex them. Therefore report go to waste box
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http://news.mk.co.kr/newsRead.php?no=9290&year=2017

Seoul mayor hide professional study report from civil institute.
According to the 매경
In Jan, "Seoul apartment design improve"'서울시 아파트 디자인특화방안' report suggest to housing&city develop division of seoul city.
According to the report "Seoul shouldn't height floor limited as 35fl. As far as Seoul limited height regulation in apartment then seoul's skyline will be dumb and apartment can't design as creative shape and Seoul apartment used to rebuilt as boxy shape ugly design. Moreover seoul apartment become more unifying due to 35fl limit regulation" So report persuade "dismiss 35fl limit policy of seoul mayor."
And recommend "complex skyline design. especially for Han riverside." and report recommend "special design zone in seoul apartment and allow tall building to built in apartment."
'입체적 디자인 라인' '세계적인 수변공간 창출' 등을 강조했다. 보고서에는 '특별건축구역 지정 등을 통해 건축디자인의 다양성을 확보하고, 통경축에 대한 계획·관리를 통해 도시내부~한강으로의 열린 경관을 창출해야 한다'는 내용도 들어가 있다.

In short this report asking "to dismiss 35fl regulation and height limit for the purpose to built creative design. Cause with height increase incentive can compensation to built creative design. If there is strong height floor limit then civil apartment to built boring/unifying shape apartment "

But this report didn't inform to seoul mayor due to report contain opposite opinions with Seoul mayor's 35fl regulation.
I'm so shy this is seoul's democracy's poor level.

I surprise that this report 100% agreed with my opinion and critic about seoul policy. Is this report made by inno4321?No
this report result by housing&city develop division of seoul city! They asking to professional institute and pay for that. But received opposite study result. It make perplex them. Therefore report go to waste box
mayor park now only concentrated about presidential candidate
and going crazy...
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Yesterday he said that
"I will dismember Seoul National University when I elected as president of skorea" say Park won sun Seoul mayor
http://news.heraldcorp.com/issueplus...029476930479_1

It seems like Tokyo mayor said that I will dismiss Tokyo university when I become chancellor of Japan.
London mayor I will dismiss oxford/cambridge university when i elected as minister of uk.

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and going crazy...

I agreed that
he did nothing during his regime in seoul city. Seoul stalled for many years since he mayor that is hurt me.
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Eh, the guy's a fool and a nut. If he thinks that tearing apart Seouldae is going to do anything to change power structures, then he understands nothing about his own society.
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Eh, the guy's a fool and a nut. If he thinks that tearing apart Seouldae is going to do anything to change power structures, then he understands nothing about his own society.
I agree.
I'm normally supportive of this guy's ideologies and idiosyncrasies, but if this is actually what he thinks, he probs doesn't understand the mechanics of French education, of which he has declared as a model.
In my personal opinion and understanding of Korea, the education systems of Finland, Germany, and France simply cannot function in Korean culture. It will quickly break down and resume the shape of what it is now today.
The education system of Korea will crash someday, though. This cannot persist. It is through the crisis that Korea will organically develop an education system that suits the culture - one that keeps the balance between Korean culture, personalized education, and the western-style/capitalistic success (that every Korean is striving for today).
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49FL design

EUN MA give up 49fl luxury apartment due to Seoul's 35fl regulation.

EUN MA invest huge million for luxury 49fl redevelop design(above) But Seoul reject 49fl and asking 35fl below

End up few days ago they give up 49fl and is going to redesign 35fl's plan base.

Thanks Seoul another commie block will rise.

http://www.seoul.co.kr/news/newsView...log_tag3=naver

btw Another billions project Apgujoung and Yeiudo not yet compromised with Seoul's 35fl regulation
and they push up skyscraper apartment.
they waiting new mayor?
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