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Old January 9th, 2014, 09:17 PM   #101
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I have to say, I don't really understand his objection to this one. I think I remember hearing that it'd be 20-30 stories tall, so not that tall, and the site isn't actually near Gyeongbokgung, but a few blocks away. Not to mention that it would've been great to see some Korean architectural traditions incorporated into a high-rise, and hanok are a wonderful Korean architectural tradition to draw inspiration from (if they did a good job of it). And, of course, one of the things people like most about Seoul is the juxtaposition of old palaces and soaring skyscrapers.

This one seems obvious to me.
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Old January 10th, 2014, 08:01 PM   #102
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I have to say, I don't really understand his objection to this one. I think I remember hearing that it'd be 20-30 stories tall, so not that tall, and the site isn't actually near Gyeongbokgung, but a few blocks away. Not to mention that it would've been great to see some Korean architectural traditions incorporated into a high-rise, and hanok are a wonderful Korean architectural tradition to draw inspiration from (if they did a good job of it). And, of course, one of the things people like most about Seoul is the juxtaposition of old palaces and soaring skyscrapers.

This one seems obvious to me.

Right aquaticko.
It is only 4~5floors hotel. And donated huge space for public musium and park space. Futhermore design with hanok stlye for harmonized with Gyeongbokgung palace.
Even President of korea ask for permission this hotel for NATIONAL unique hotel.This site very close from CHONGWADAE(president white house) So if this hotel to built, then it would used as national reception hotel.
But reject.....

http://article.joins.com/news/articl...85375&ctg=1200
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Old January 12th, 2014, 12:06 PM   #103
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HYUNDAI&KIA GLOBAL BUSINESS CENTER(below call as GBC) rejected by seoul mayor.
Some korean member lying about this FACT. So I'm report OFFICIAL KOREAN NEWS

Below is my poor translation about journal.



http://www.seongdongnews.com/news/ar...tml?idxno=8911

“서울시는 지역 간 형평성이 결여된 ‘한강 지구별 가이드라인’을 즉각 수정하여, 삼표레미콘부지에 초고층 건축물 건립이 가능하도록 서울시 도시기본계획에 포함하라”고 촉구하는 결의문을 발표했다."
Seongdonggu council(district of GBC) official ask resolution letter for permission GBC.
"Seoul city must immediatley allow GBC's construction with abolition area discrimination between others district"
“서울시는 한강변 일대 건축물의 층수를 최고 35층 이하로 제한하는 내용 등의 ‘한강 지구별 가이드라인’을 마련하고, 한강변 관리 기본방향에서 우리의 의지와는 무관하게 삼표레미콘 부지의 초고층 개발을 제한하려고 하고 있다”고 밝혔다.
Seoul city limited 35floors below beside HAN river with so called Han gang control regulation. This regulation disregard our(seongdongu citizen) will&dream
“쾌적한 주거환경 조성과 지역발전을 열망하는 성동구민의 염원을 저버린 처사로, 정책의 일관성과 지역 간 형평성이 결여된 계획안”이라고 지적하며, “계획을 즉각 수정하여, 삼표레미콘 공장부지에 글로벌비즈니스센터 건립을 조속히 허용해 줄 것”을 강력히 촉구했다.
This kind of regulation disregard against citizens's hope for live in clean environment and local development. This regulation area discrimination between others district"
Therefor plan must modified for construction permission for GBC!

또한, “서울시에서 계획안대로 사업을 추진한다면, 성동구의회는 가능한 모든 수단과 방법을 동원하여, 성동구민과 함께 강력히 대처할 것”이라고 덧붙였다.
Moreover If seoul city gear up with regulation Seongdonggu district council and seongdonggu citizens fight against SEOUL CITY with by fair means or foul



http://news.hankooki.com/lpage/econo...3355321540.htm

현대차그룹이 서울 성동구 성수동 삼표래미콘 공장 부지(2만7,830㎡)에 지하 8층, 지상 110층 규모의 GBC를 짓겠다고 발표한 것은 지난 2007년. 글로벌 완성차 기업으로 성장하려면 자동차산업 마케팅과 연구개발(R&D) 허브가 필요하다는 판단에서였다. 인근 지역이 뉴타운 지구로 지정되는 등 순항하는 듯했던 이 사업은 박원순 서울시장 취임 이후 상황이 180도 바뀌었다. 지난해 4월 국토해양부가 주거ㆍ상업 등 용도변경을 쉽게 용이하게 할 수 있도록 국토계획법을 개정하자 서울시가 초고층 빌딩의 무분별한 난립을 막는 자체 가이드라인을 마련하면서 제동을 건 것. 이 가이드라인에 따르면 한강변에 35층 이상 초고층 건물의 신축은 제한된다.
HYUNDAI MOTORS official announced for construction GBC since 2007. Site area(2만7,830㎡) 8 basement floors 110 floors................skip.......................But suddenly GBC plan stalled(situation 180 degree changed) since Mr Park won sun who Seoul mayor elected..skip.......Han river only 35floors allow....


http://www.sdnews.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=2486


Public hearing for permission GBC in Seongdonggu disrict!!!
LOOK EVEN SAME PARTY with seoul mayor ..MR CHOI JAE CHON who congressman participated in

As you show above many citizen many politician ask GBC tower construction but seoul mayor didn't answer them. Is it DEMOCRACY?
Not only these news paper but also many news about GBC..
If these news is not enough for truth then ask me I will translation other korean news.

Please don't deceive other memeber who can not read KOREAN NEWS PAPER.
HYUNDAI 110FLOOR TOWER stalled not by world financial crisis but by seoul mayor
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http://economy.hankooki.com/lpage/ec...7235070070.htm


Today HYUNDAI MOTORS OFFICIAL ANNOUNCED GIVE UP 110FLOOR IN DUCKSUM OF SEOUL PROJECT.
DUE TO SEOUL MAYOR'S ANTI SKYSCRAPER POLICY


Project cancelled block by seoul mayor's anti skyscraper policy.
20 thousands new job
$4 billions economy effect disapperas
Hyundai looking for another place
What a greatest mayor he is don't like a company's investment his own city!!

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Bad news!

But maybe they can find a way to build the headquarter somewhere else, not directly at han river.

Or maybe Hyundai can buy the land of the failed Yongsan IBD and build it there. They need money for paying debts, and Hyunday needs a tower, so its a win-win situation
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Bad news!

But maybe they can find a way to build the headquarter somewhere else, not directly at han river.

Or maybe Hyundai can buy the land of the failed Yongsan IBD and build it there. They need money for paying debts, and Hyunday needs a tower, so its a win-win situation

You make a sense comment.

In my opinnions GBC will be built in Sangam seoul lite site or Yongsan IBD.
Yongsan is best place for GBC. But accordding today korean news file a suit and legal battle begin at 21 JAN.
They say legal battle spent at least 5 years until finished.
So Sangam seoul lite is possible. But that case hyundai pay money for buying land. from seoul city

Bytheway SEOUL need NEWS mayor for improved except this irrational guy
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Old January 18th, 2014, 05:36 PM   #107
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What a stubborn mayor, bloody hell! How could he?!!
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Seoul gov had a bid debt problem( over 270 billion $). so mayor park when was a candidate, he promised decrease the debt(270billion $ -> 200 billion $)
he need to break some project like a opera house in han river(over7bilion $), now he decrease the debt 20billion $.
DDP spend over 4billion $(when planed it was 0.9 billion $), Go Chuk Dome Arena spend 2.4billion $(increase 1.9billion $) it still constructing....
it was former mayor's plan, he always didn't concerned money...

but I aree with why don't give a permisson for korean air's hotel .

YBD's fail is not mayor's falut.. 95% of problems from the companies who want build YBD. they don't have enough money for that. so they broken...
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Seoul gov had a bid debt problem( over 270 billion $). so mayor park when was a candidate, he promised decrease the debt(270billion $ -> 200 billion $)
he need to break some project like a opera house in han river(over7bilion $), now he decrease the debt 20billion $.
DDP spend over 4billion $(when planed it was 0.9 billion $), Go Chuk Dome Arena spend 2.4billion $(increase 1.9billion $) it still constructing....
it was former mayor's plan, he always didn't concerned money...

but I aree with why don't give a permisson for korean air's hotel .

YBD's fail is not mayor's falut.. 95% of problems from the companies who want build YBD. they don't have enough money for that. so they broken...

Appreciated for you comment.
I'm glad talk with who interesting about seoul's future.
Let proceed much more deep topic with me.

Can I ask some thing?

1. You confused "billion" with millions.
billions is huge money it is 1조원 korean won.
So you have to modified 270 billion $ ==>27 billion/others example same DDP cost is not 4billion. You know Lotte tower's over 500m high construction cost is 3.5 billions. So how can DDP cost is 4 billion?

2. You said mayor park promised reduce seoul's debt to 270billion $ -> 200 billion $
Do you know that? Accordding to the parliamentary inspection of the administration about 1 billions increasedsince he begin working as seoul mayor.
In contrast, Seoul debt increased 1 billions! Is he keep the promised?

3. If mayor park want reduce debt of seoul. How can he do it?
He steal money from bank or make a money from sky something like that?
Only way is get TAX from company which located in SEOUL city!
HYUNDAI want to invest 2 billions in SEOUL and construction HEAD office in seoul.
But mayor park reject HYUNDAI's suggestions.(only reject reason is building is TOO HIGH!!)
Accordding to the report If HYUNDAI GBC bult in seoul, seoul can received 2~4 billions as effect on production inducement. And MAKE A new JOB 20 thousands in seoul!

4. LG want to built Global R&D center in MAKOG . But seoul mayor only HALF land sale to LG . LG try to persuade mayor for sale whole land.(for accomodate whole staff in MAGOK center)
But he didn't. After one years pass.. MAKOG land didn't sale and nobody want to buy land. You know that? What he do? Mayor park go to CHINA for saling MAGOK land!! Even LG is korea company.

In short, how can seoul mayor reduce debt with reject company's investment plan his own city?
Don't you think it is self-contradiction?
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http://economy.hankooki.com/lpage/ec...7235070070.htm


Today HYUNDAI MOTORS OFFICIAL ANNOUNCED GIVE UP 110FLOOR IN DUCKSUM OF SEOUL PROJECT.
DUE TO SEOUL MAYOR'S ANTI SKYSCRAPER POLICY


Project cancelled block by seoul mayor's anti skyscraper policy.
20 thousands new job
$4 billions economy effect disapperas
Hyundai looking for another place
What a greatest mayor he is don't like a company's investment his own city!!

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why is he against a privately funded project that will create jobs?
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Appreciated for you comment.
I'm glad talk with who interesting about seoul's future.
Let proceed much more deep topic with me.

Can I ask some thing?

1. You confused "billion" with millions.
billions is huge money it is 1조원 korean won.
So you have to modified 270 billion $ ==>27 billion/others example same DDP cost is not 4billion. You know Lotte tower's over 500m high construction cost is 3.5 billions. So how can DDP cost is 4 billion?

2. You said mayor park promised reduce seoul's debt to 270billion $ -> 200 billion $
Do you know that? Accordding to the parliamentary inspection of the administration about 1 billions increasedsince he begin working as seoul mayor.
In contrast, Seoul debt increased 1 billions! Is he keep the promised?

3. If mayor park want reduce debt of seoul. How can he do it?
He steal money from bank or make a money from sky something like that?
Only way is get TAX from company which located in SEOUL city!
HYUNDAI want to invest 2 billions in SEOUL and construction HEAD office in seoul.
But mayor park reject HYUNDAI's suggestions.(only reject reason is building is TOO HIGH!!)
Accordding to the report If HYUNDAI GBC bult in seoul, seoul can received 2~4 billions as effect on production inducement. And MAKE A new JOB 20 thousands in seoul!

4. LG want to built Global R&D center in MAKOG . But seoul mayor only HALF land sale to LG . LG try to persuade mayor for sale whole land.(for accomodate whole staff in MAGOK center)
But he didn't. After one years pass.. MAKOG land didn't sale and nobody want to buy land. You know that? What he do? Mayor park go to CHINA for saling MAGOK land!! Even LG is korea company.

In short, how can seoul mayor reduce debt with reject company's investment plan his own city?
Don't you think it is self-contradiction?
i made mistake again. 27biliion is right.... totally mistake at counting.

mayor park accepted allmost LG's proposal
http://news.mt.co.kr/mtview.php?no=2...037&type=1&VML

and.. i think MOU is no meaning. it can be break any time. do you remember universal studio in korea's MOU?? it still nothing happen..

international funding is not bad.. every province want intl funding and searching that...

busan LCT also connect with china(but i think it is really terrible..why another country get it!!)... jeju island also love chinese funding... some chinese corp will construct first skyscraper in jeju...
how about that? is that wrong??
song do district also always want big funding from abroad...
Gyeonggi-do want 2,400,000,000,000 won from intl funding in this year...

debt decrease 1,000,000,000,000 won. he still try... any other mayor(especially former two) alway increase debt.. he's period is not end... i know he can't decrease 7bil $ in his period...anyway he tried and got some success...
i don't want default crisis in Seoul.. so i vote for park

i don't know why former mayor Oh didn't give a permmision for Hyundai..
even though he and his party was big. they had a time and power for change the raw for hyundai like president do for lotte super tower... but did not.. if he done, mayor park cannot stop (like still constructing GoChuk Dome, and finish DPP)...
but why???? how do you think about that??

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mayor park accepted allmost LG's proposal
http://news.mt.co.kr/mtview.php?no=2...037&type=1&VML
i don't know why former mayor Oh didn't give a permmision for Hyundai..
even though he and his party was big.



Dear cestlavie24 Thanks for your reply.

First.mayor park accepted allmost LG's proposal(<==your question)
I'm arranged
1. LG suggested R&D center in MAGOK. ===>2. Mayor park reject LG's suggestion. Only half land to sale to LG.===>3. After 1 years pass nobody want to buy MAGOK remain land==>4. suddenly mayor park go to abroad(CHINA) for sale MAGOK land===> 5. But NO BODY BUYING MAGOK LAND from mayor park!!===>6. Almost 2 years spent Park sale remain MAGOK LAND TO LG(this is your news link).
How stupid thing it is. During mayor park spent 2years LG's R&D CENTER project stalled. Are you think it is rational

Second. I don't know why former mayor Oh didn't give a permmision for Hyundai.. (<==your question)
You so poor knowledge about city permission progress. This is Not NK but SK. SK need first changed law before get permission.

Former mayor try to permission HYUNDAI tower so first he changed seoul regulation(so called 대규모부지 활성화법) and waiting from permission MINISTRY OF NATIONAL LAND &TRANSFER.
Finally permission given at april 2012(mayor park time!)
How can he allow HYUNDAI TOWER's construction without permission from MINISTRY OF NATIONAL LAND &TRANSFER.

Are Understand?
Are you need more teaching about korea law from me? This thread not for your classroom for learning korea law OR debt of seoul problem but for cancelled &stalled project in seoul.

I respectfully ask you to that you go FIRST LEARNING KOREAN LAW. And then talk with me. Thanks
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New Seoul city mayor election
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Glad Mr jong mong jun 41.3%
Now seoul mayor won sun fxxk 35%
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New seoul mayor candidate lee hae hun suggest RESUME sanwon green avenue project!!!

SAEWON GREEN AVENUE project was cancelled by seoul mayor but new candidate lee suggest RESUME PROJECT!!

She will make this OLD SLUM place to green forest avenue which is 90m wide, 1km length to connect between world heritage palace and namsan tower

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New seoul mayor candidate lee hae hun suggest RESUME sanwon green avenue project!!!

SAEWON GREEN AVENUE project was cancelled by seoul mayor but new candidate lee suggest RESUME PROJECT!!

She will make this OLD SLUM place to green forest avenue which is 90m wide, 1km length to connect between world heritage palace and namsan tower

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...1&postcount=71

i wanna put some more story..

first, Cultural Heritage Administration recommended "this project buildings height must not over 55m". becasue JONGMYO "the UNESCO World Cultural Heritage". Mayor Oh planded height was 126m. at the first step he got trebuble. So this project lost business value. and then almost stopped..
of course mayor par fianlly cancelled and nowaday he suggested new plan..
that include... reparing plan the Sewoon shopping center(very old and lost commercial supremacy so nobody use this shoping center...) .
becasue this shoping center has historic value..
but i cannot agree with his plan. it will not good for dealer in the shopping center..additionally this building is so ugly..--;; don't look like have historic value
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i wanna put some more story..

first, Cultural Heritage Administration recommended "this project buildings height must not over 55m". becasue JONGMYO "the UNESCO World Cultural Heritage". Mayor Oh planded height was 126m. at the first step he got trebuble. So this project lost business value. and then almost stopped..
of course mayor par fianlly cancelled and nowaday he suggested new plan..
that include... reparing plan the Sewoon shopping center(very old and lost commercial supremacy so nobody use this shoping center...) .
becasue this shoping center has historic value..
but i cannot agree with his plan. it will not good for dealer in the shopping center..additionally this building is so ugly..--;; don't look like have historic value
Lol u Begin to speak rationally. AGREE WITH U

U say right. this building ugly and no value for historic meaning.
If this tower have historic value then CHeonggaechun'OVERPASS have historical value.
Why not OVERPASS of cheongaechon. That pass same aged with Sewoon shopping center.

This place must return to PUBLIC CITIZENS with GREEN FOREST AVENUE. right now. no need ugly concrete building in the very heart of SEOUL CBD.
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Lol u Begin to speak rationally. AGREE WITH U

U say right. this building ugly and no value for historic meaning.
If this tower have historic value then CHeonggaechun'OVERPASS have historical value.
Why not OVERPASS of cheongaechon. That pass same aged with Sewoon shopping center.

This place must return to PUBLIC CITIZENS with GREEN FOREST AVENUE. right now. no need ugly concrete building in the very heart of SEOUL CBD.
but if sewoon shoping center had original lay out..(i can not find the image, ) .. it could have historic value

anyway.
this project also will meet problem like a yongsan IBD, Seoul lite in DMC
many dealers don't want move somewhere... they saw what happen in 'garden five shoping center'. only very big reward can move them. aslo too
many dealers and building owners connect with this plan. so everything will be very difficult
and still the low height is the issue.
i'm sure nobody can persuade Cultural Heritage Administration.
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Old March 20th, 2014, 04:11 PM   #119
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but if sewoon shoping center had original lay out..(i can not find the image, ) .. it could have historic value

anyway.
this project also will meet problem like a yongsan IBD, Seoul lite in DMC
many dealers don't want move somewhere... they saw what happen in 'garden five shoping center'. only very big reward can move them. aslo too
many dealers and building owners connect with this plan. so everything will be very difficult
and still the low height is the issue.
i'm sure nobody can persuade Cultural Heritage Administration.

hey buddy.



Among 218 owner 60% citizens agree with UNITED develop plan
Look above newspaper photos They demonstrated in front of city hall against seoul mayor who cancelled sawon green avenue project.



And read above news paper article

I just translated headline below
Due to unstable plan sawon shopping center land price drop to 수천만원($ 1 or 30,000).
This is due to delay of 통합개발(united green avenue plan).
"Nobody come to sawon old building. Is it booming again by REMODELING? I think IT IS MUCH MORE GOOD FOR US to demolished sawong building and RECEIVED COMPENSATION." said OWNER of L selamic

You don't know about fact!

They want to green avenue. This is citizens's request mayor is dictatorship OK?
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Old March 21st, 2014, 05:20 AM   #120
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hey buddy.



Among 218 owner 60% citizens agree with UNITED develop plan
Look above newspaper photos They demonstrated in front of city hall against seoul mayor who cancelled sawon green avenue project.



And read above news paper article

I just translated headline below
Due to unstable plan sawon shopping center land price drop to 수천만원($ 1 or 30,000).
This is due to delay of 통합개발(united green avenue plan).
"Nobody come to sawon old building. Is it booming again by REMODELING? I think IT IS MUCH MORE GOOD FOR US to demolished sawong building and RECEIVED COMPENSATION." said OWNER of L selamic

You don't know about fact!

They want to green avenue. This is citizens's request mayor is dictatorship OK?
i said this shoping center is dead... so need destroy..

but useally compensation for removal follows officially assessed land
price. but building owners and shop onwers want market price.. it will make long dispute. if building owners and shop onwers who want total redevelopment can not get enough or more money, aslo can turn their mind
and tenant dealers impossible get enough money for move(becasue fore gift will not accept..just small money can get for move) we know what will happen to them..

that is normal in korea... i just talk about everyday life when start redevelopment..
united green avenue plan(not just this plan, every plan) also can not avoid.. these situation..

only very big money can solve this puzzle.. who can bring this money in korea?? and who can defeat final boss(Cultural Heritage Administration)?
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