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Old July 3rd, 2012, 03:47 PM   #41
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Basically half the city used to look like this. Mostly demolished but still a few pockets left.
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Old July 3rd, 2012, 07:57 PM   #42
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renovate them, install some proper sanitary plombing and equip them with hot water supply, thus it may become a real tourist attraction. Dont do the same mistakes (West) Germans did with their ancient urban architecture in the 1950s
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Old July 3rd, 2012, 08:01 PM   #43
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renovate them, install some proper sanitary plombing and equip them with hot water supply, thus it may become a real tourist attraction. Dont do the same mistakes (West) Germans did with their ancient urban architecture in the 1950s
Did you actually see those pictures of Chinese slums? They were beyond recover.

You are, moreover, mixing up three different process: slum clearance (done in large scale between WW-1 and WW-2 in Northern and Central Europe), reconstruction of cities heavily damaged by bombings of aforementioned war and urban renewal programs.

This is not the case of recoverable buildings, it is just trash in terms of architecture and probably the social environment is equally corrupt, so the best way to deal with these circumstances is to wipe out not only the sub-standards buildings (whose problems go far beyond lack of sanitation, most slums have unhealthy concentrations of people is too small buildings) but also whatever neighborhood corrupt fabric that exists there such as illegal activities, illegal business, illegal shops etc.
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Old July 3rd, 2012, 08:03 PM   #44
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This is slum in southern China

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I actually liked it a lot. So all this has gone? They were replaced by what? Boring towers far away from each other, separated by freeways?

Japan and Hong Kong has plenty of streets like those, and they're very interesting.
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Japan and Hong Kong has plenty of streets like those, and they're very interesting.
Do you realize these streets and the buildings placed there are borderline unhealthy and hazardous?

(1) there is barely any sunlight reaching the windows of all but the uppermost floors

(2) fires can spread quickly and create a pandemonium of blazes and death, since no firefighting equipment can be moved in

(3) the close proximity of buildings and their extremely tiny size results in overcrowding, making conditions perfect for communicable diseases (by air) to spread.

There is nothing "interesting" about them whatsoever. There is danger, that is.
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Old July 3rd, 2012, 08:13 PM   #46
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Did you actually see those pictures of Chinese slums? They were beyond recover.

You are, moreover, mixing up three different process: slum clearance (done in large scale between WW-1 and WW-2 in Northern and Central Europe), reconstruction of cities heavily damaged by bombings of aforementioned war and urban renewal programs.

This is not the case of recoverable buildings, it is just trash in terms of architecture and probably the social environment is equally corrupt, so the best way to deal with these circumstances is to wipe out not only the sub-standards buildings (whose problems go far beyond lack of sanitation, most slums have unhealthy concentrations of people is too small buildings) but also whatever neighborhood corrupt fabric that exists there such as illegal activities, illegal business, illegal shops etc.
it depends what were talking about. Yes, Ive been living in China for 3 years and have seen these areas. Some of them look ok, have a intact social structure and are not overcrowded because especially young people move away. The only thing is their lack of modern infrastructure. There are some nice examples of renovated Shikumen buildings in the central areas of Shanghai, and I am not talking about that Xintiandi rubbish, but about ordinary residential areas.

The modern buildings provide much more comfort but are also very anonymous, people do not know who their neighbour is.

I havent seen anything old in Tianjin though, might be that they were really too shabby for renovation
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Old July 3rd, 2012, 08:15 PM   #47
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Do you realize these streets and the buildings placed there are borderline unhealthy and hazardous?

(1) there is barely any sunlight reaching the windows of all but the uppermost floors

(2) fires can spread quickly and create a pandemonium of blazes and death, since no firefighting equipment can be moved in

(3) the close proximity of buildings and their extremely tiny size results in overcrowding, making conditions perfect for communicable diseases (by air) to spread.

There is nothing "interesting" about them whatsoever. There is danger, that is.
Tens of millions of Japanese live in streets very similar to those, and they're arguably the healthiest people on Earth. The last "pandemonium of blazes and death" there were registered in 1945.

They're indeed very interesting, very Asian. It's a shame they've gone, especially as they were replaced by hideous and boring towers. About the "danger", well, we all know you have a very very broad definition of it.

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Old July 3rd, 2012, 09:34 PM   #48
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They're indeed very interesting, very Asian. It's a shame they've gone, especially as they were replaced by hideous and boring towers. About the "danger", well, we all know you have a very very broad definition of it.
Actuslly these Chinese areas are not a healthy place to live in. They have become the breeding grounds for social problems such as crime, drug addiction, alcoholism, and prostitution. They are Chinese ghettos with overcrowding, social problems and dodgy back-alley's.

These are replaced by still urban modern highrise blocks that are walkable with nice greenery and higher quality of everything. Urban and walkable areas doesn't have to be dangerous overcrowded dark superdense areas.















Walkable modern and healthy new developments



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Old July 3rd, 2012, 10:44 PM   #49
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The European architecture is being very well preserved and there's also a good amount of faux historical buildings going up too. The thing is, the European buildings in Tianjin actually are unique, while the old Chinese buildings were not.
That is an argument indeed. But I have seen a lot of development around or in the European quarter of the town on SSC. Largely in fake European style. That made me wonder if also the real old European buildings are gradually cleared safe some exceptions for new fake style buildings like it has happened in the very centre of Tianjin in Chinese style.

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The housing looked exactly the same as what you can find in any north China village. The unique drum tower in the middle was preserved because it was actually unique but everything else was really just slum type housing.
It would be great if someone could post pictures or links to pictures of the main streets of that Tianjin old town before destruction. Not some random backyards, but the main corridors. I could not find any. It would help in the judgement if there had been potential for restoration and adaption to modern uses.

Old towns in Europe are often made up by buildings you find in a similar fashion also in neighbouring towns as well, on a superficial look they also might not look unique. Still many if not most have been preserved, at least partially.
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Old July 3rd, 2012, 10:50 PM   #50
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Zurich has some slums as well:

[IMG]http://i46.************/2wh19mx.png[/IMG]

They are called "community gardens"
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heliopolis in são paulo

http://www.favelization.com/2009/05/...eliopolis.html

these short buildings correspond to "gleba a" these other buildings behind correspond to "gleba g, h and i"

http://www.prefeitura.sp.gov.br/cida...ex.php?p=10402
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A secret well kept and hidden through propaganda by Swiss authorities wanting us make to believe Switzerland is a rich country. Thanks to SSC the shocking truth is now out.

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Zurich has some slums as well:

[IMG]http://i46.************/2wh19mx.png[/IMG]

They are called "community gardens"
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Old July 4th, 2012, 09:33 PM   #56
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That is an argument indeed. But I have seen a lot of development around or in the European quarter of the town on SSC. Largely in fake European style. That made me wonder if also the real old European buildings are gradually cleared safe some exceptions for new fake style buildings like it has happened in the very centre of Tianjin in Chinese style.
A large portion of the old European buildings are guaranteed to be preserved, some of them are very prestigious for the city of Tianjin. The old Italian concession has become a very popular tourist district, the old British concession is a center for the Communist Party and contains a lot of government offices and expensive real estate, and a major street in downtown, Jiefang Bei Lu, is a big financial street, there are tons of banks in their original European buildings, and they all look extremely nice. I'll post some pics soon. Also Tianjin is the only place where Austria-Hungarian architecture is found outside Europe.
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A large portion of the old European buildings are guaranteed to be preserved, some of them are very prestigious for the city of Tianjin. The old Italian concession has become a very popular tourist district, the old British concession is a center for the Communist Party and contains a lot of government offices and expensive real estate, and a major street in downtown, Jiefang Bei Lu, is a big financial street, there are tons of banks in their original European buildings, and they all look extremely nice. I'll post some pics soon.

Also Tianjin is the only place where Austria-Hungarian architecture is found outside Europe.
I know, one can not find a lot of pictures from it on the net though. Maybe because not a lot of that old Austrian architecture is still standing. But I know one iconic building from that time that is still there.

If you have pictures posting them would be much appreciated. It is slightly off topic in this thread, so it would be best if you made some new thread for that or post in a more appropriate one and just post the link to it here.
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