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Old October 20th, 2015, 12:47 AM   #321
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Hainan Airlines to be revealed when the Chinese President is in town on Friday.

"an anonymous source with Hainan Airlines, which operates under parent company HNA, told the Global Times that the company will unveil new flight routes from China to the UK during Xi's visit."
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Old October 20th, 2015, 02:28 AM   #322
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Manchester is deluding itself if future growth is 'expected' from Tier 3 Asian airlines. Honestly. Get proper airlines like Cathay or Singapore please. I give this lot a year.
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Old October 20th, 2015, 01:04 PM   #323
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Manchester is deluding itself if future growth is 'expected' from Tier 3 Asian airlines. Honestly. Get proper airlines like Cathay or Singapore please. I give this lot a year.
Cathay and Sinhapore do serve MAN...?
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Old October 20th, 2015, 02:07 PM   #324
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Singapore been flying from Manchester for decades. Cathay have just come back and are nailing it.
Nobody knows for certain who the airline or airlines will be if indeed that is what is to be announced on Friday.
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Old October 20th, 2015, 06:35 PM   #325
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I reckon the biggest announcement in or about Manchester will be about the "Airport City" construction project next to the airport which is Chinese funded. Bet Cameron has substantially increased the size of the zone where investors can avail of tax relief.

Manchester could be nicking in ahead of Dublin on direct Shanghai or Beijing flights to establish that/those route(s) as they are impossible to service from Dublin for the next 2-3 years minimum. Hopefully with an airline that people would happily fly with.
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Old October 21st, 2015, 08:44 AM   #326
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4 weekly Hainan to Beijing on A330 starting on 10th June! As for Hainan not being worthy, well they do serve Berlin, Brussels and Boston amongst others. Hardly small, insignifcant cities.
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Old October 21st, 2015, 11:24 AM   #327
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"China’s President set to confirm new Hainan Airlines Beijing – Manchester link"...

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hina’s President, Xi Jinping is expected to formally confirm a new Hainan Airlines link between Beijing and Manchester as part of his four day visit to the UK. The visit from October 20-23, 2015 is the first by a Chinese head of state to the UK since Hu Jintao flew to the UK in 2005 and has been lauded as establishing a “golden era” of bilateral relations and strengthening economic and financial ties between the two countries.

The introduction of a scheduled link from Manchester to China has been under discussion for a long time and there has been increased speculation over the past couple of years that an agreement is imminent. There was a suggestion that the route would have been launched this year, but issues with the crewing of its Airbus A330 fleet is understood to have delayed a final deal being agreed with Hainan Airlines.

However, we can now confirm that the airline is ready to start the route in summer 2016 and just as China’s leader arrived in the UK, it loaded schedules for a new four times weekly Beijing – Manchester flight into the GDS, launching from June 10, 2016. This will be flown using an Airbus A330-200.

Here’s the proposed flight schedule for the service as loaded in the GDS...

Beijing – Manchester – Beijing
HU7903 PEK0145 – 0605MAN 330 x247
HU7904 MAN1200 – 0525+1PEK 330 x247

President Xi Jinping is due in Manchester on October 23, 2015, the final day of his state visit. He is scheduled to visit the National Graphene Institute at Manchester University with UK chancellor George Osborne and will join the Prime Minister, David Cameron at Manchester City’s stadium, followed by lunch at Manchester town hall hosted by the Lord Mayor of Manchester, and attended by civic and business representatives.

Both Cameron and Xi will then attend an event at Manchester Airport when details of the new flight are expected to be announced. This event could also be the location for an announcement on a rumoured investment by Hanian Airlines parent, HNA Group, on the acquisition of a majority stake in MAG Airports.

This suggestion on the airport deal has been fuelled by HNA Group, Chief Executive Officer, Cheng Feng being among the 150-member entrepreneurial delegation that is accompanying Xi on his visit to the UK. This business delegation includes CEOs and senior executives from various crucial commercial sectors including finance, infrastructure, energy, the automotive industry, aviation, insurance, culture, as well as investment, according to Chinese report
http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/...nchester-link/

More on this as it happens...
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Old October 21st, 2015, 08:00 PM   #328
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Well Done MAN on securing this new important air link
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Old October 21st, 2015, 11:47 PM   #329
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Singapore been flying from Manchester for decades. Cathay have just come back and are nailing it.
Nobody knows for certain who the airline or airlines will be if indeed that is what is to be announced on Friday.
Is there any prospect of an increase in frequency of these flights or in the case of Singapore removing the Munich stopover?

I've seen stories about a number of possible additions to the MAN network - for example the West Coast USA, KL, South Africa and Tokyo.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 08:29 AM   #330
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The Evening News catches up....

Manchester has secured its first ever direct service to mainland China, as President Xi Jinping prepares to visit the city.

Carrier Hainan Airlines will run the service from next June, the M.E.N. can reveal.

The route will be officially announced on Friday when the President joins Prime Minister David Cameron at Manchester Airport .

But the fact a direct Beijing flight has been secured was today confirmed by Ambassador Liu Xiaoming in a column in the MEN.

And flights can already be booked on the Hainan website from Manchester to the Chinese capital.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 10:51 AM   #331
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Is there any prospect of an increase in frequency of these flights or in the case of Singapore removing the Munich stopover?

I've seen stories about a number of possible additions to the MAN network - for example the West Coast USA, KL, South Africa and Tokyo.

If I remember correctly LAX will be served from MAN again next year, by Thomas Cook Airlines..( BA flew the route about 15 years ago on a 767)

As for the others with the introduction of the A350 and B787 new routes are very much on the horizon, I think its a case of watch this space.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 12:44 PM   #332
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If I remember correctly LAX will be served from MAN again next year, by Thomas Cook Airlines..( BA flew the route about 15 years ago on a 767)

As for the others with the introduction of the A350 and B787 new routes are very much on the horizon, I think its a case of watch this space.
What are Thomas Cook like? I thought they were a charter/package holiday operation?

I would think the technology of the A350/B787 would only be one factor in the new routes. Does that mean the demand for such routes (either as new routes, increased frequency or higher capacity) is there?
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 01:08 PM   #333
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Try letting your fingers do the work for you ....

A search for 'Thomas Cook Airlines flight reviews' will provide some answers to your question. It appears to vary quite a but.

Thomas Cook Airlines, in association with Condor, have started to grow quite a large scheduled network and are now no longer just a charter carrier.

Hope that helps.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 01:19 PM   #334
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I would think the technology of the A350/B787 would only be one factor in the new routes. Does that mean the demand for such routes (either as new routes, increased frequency or higher capacity) is there?
There are an awful lot of passengers going to DXB/AUH for connections. If there's enough headed for a single destination, then it makes economic sense to run a direct flight there from MAN and compete with Emirates/Etihad.

Many of those routes are long enough that they needed much bigger aircraft than the A350/B787 until those planes arrived, and there wasn't the demand to do that economically (hence the UAE hubs).
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 03:40 PM   #335
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Try letting your fingers do the work for you ....

A search for 'Thomas Cook Airlines flight reviews' will provide some answers to your question. It appears to vary quite a but.

Thomas Cook Airlines, in association with Condor, have started to grow quite a large scheduled network and are now no longer just a charter carrier.

Hope that helps.
Indeed - thanks.

It has taken me aback - I had not expected them to offer long haul routes. Looking at the reviews I've seen, not sure Id be too keen on a direct to LAX using them!!
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 03:43 PM   #336
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There are an awful lot of passengers going to DXB/AUH for connections. If there's enough headed for a single destination, then it makes economic sense to run a direct flight there from MAN and compete with Emirates/Etihad.

Many of those routes are long enough that they needed much bigger aircraft than the A350/B787 until those planes arrived, and there wasn't the demand to do that economically (hence the UAE hubs).
I suppose then it is the knock on effect on the established routes to the Far East via AUH/DXB et al.

Looking forward to seeing what happens with them. I can remember - over a decade ago - taking a manchester to singapore flight direct. That would be a decent starter for ten (ie scrap the Munich pick up).
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 11:07 PM   #337
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CX launching non-stop HKG has had very little effect on ANY of the offerings out of MAN and, surprisingly, LHR. EK were the biggest players for MAN-xxx-HKG yet they keep churning out remarkable passenger numbers (by rights, theirs should be the next announcement regarding long-haul, be it going 3 daily A380 or 4 daily with 2 77W + 2 A380. Think the new routes that are appearing at MAN are stimulating traffic rather than poaching existing passengers.

Back in 2011, the 3 main markets for MAN-China (Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou) totalled around 180,000 passegers
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Old October 23rd, 2015, 01:58 AM   #338
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Interesting - it would be good if new routes could be introduced at the same time as existing ones are developed.
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Old October 23rd, 2015, 09:25 PM   #339
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MAN-PEK Confirmed...

"China’s President confirms £250 million Hainan Airlines link to Manchester"...
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The Manchester-Beijing route is reported to be worth at least £250 million in economic benefits to the UK over the next decade, with two-thirds being felt directly in the Northern economy in terms of increased jobs, economic activity and tourism. By providing a non-stop service, the new route will also generate journey time savings worth £5 million every year for business passengers and avoid the inconvenience of changing planes at another airport.

China’s President, His Excellency Xi Jinping has formally confirmed that Hainan Airlines will introduce a new scheduled air link between Beijing and Manchester during his four day visit to the UK, as first revealed by Routesonline earlier this week (see 'China’s President set to confirm new Hainan Airlines Beijing – Manchester link'). The visit, the first by a Chinese head of state to the UK in ten years has been lauded as establishing a “golden era” of bilateral relations and strengthening economic and financial ties between the two countries.

After three days in London, President Xi flew up to Manchester on the evening of October 22, 2015 to complete a programme of visits around the North West city. In the afternoon he and the Prime Minister, the Rt Hon David Cameron MP, visited Manchester Airport today to unveil the new direct flights from Manchester to Beijing and also launch the £130 million ‘China Cluster’ project at Airport City Manchester.

The introduction of a scheduled link from Manchester to mainland China has been under discussion for a long time to support the 100,000 plus passengers travelling each year between the two cities. Manchester Airport will become the only UK airport outside of London to offer direct scheduled services to Mainland China, albeit Birmingham has offered a summer charter programme to the Chinese capital over the past two years - last year with China Southern Airlines and this year with Hainan Airlines.


As we exclusively revealed on the evening of October 20, 2015 when Hainan Airlines first loaded schedules for the new route, it will operate a four times weekly service from June 10, 2016 using an Airbus A330-200.

The Manchester-Beijing route is reported to be worth at least £250 million in economic benefits to the UK over the next decade, with two-thirds being felt directly in the Northern economy in terms of increased jobs, economic activity and tourism. By providing a non-stop service, the new route will also generate journey time savings worth £5 million every year for business passengers and avoid the inconvenience of changing planes at another airport.

As businesses in China and the North take advantage of the improved connectivity, the Manchester-Beijing route will generate further economic benefits in terms of productivity, increased trade and collaboration, and increased foreign direct investment.

Full story..http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/...to-manchester/
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Old October 27th, 2015, 07:00 PM   #340
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Shaheen Air will start operating to Manchester from Islamabad in early 2016 with a fleet of a330-200 .
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