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Old July 13th, 2012, 01:40 AM   #1
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The less visited New York - City and State

Seeing as I've posted some of my European urban and industrial explorations here I thought it might be time to post some on what I do where I live in New York City. But I'll go beyond New York City and do some of the State as well given that I grew up in Upstate New York and travel around it quite a bit.

There won't be much touristy stuff here - just the things that people with strange interests like mine might enjoy:

To start off, two weekends ago I visited the Brooklyn Army Terminal and Bush Terminal along the Brooklyn waterfront.

The Brooklyn Army Terminal was built for World War 1 and was the largest US Army supply deport for the Second World War. It is still fully intact and if you have the inclination you can go to Sunset Park Brooklyn and easily sneak by the security guards to get in.

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There are two huge warehouses that run north to south along side of each other. One is closer to the water and the other right beside it a bit further inland.

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Here you can see that there are two buildings.

The only one that is in the original state is the one that is inland. You can go to where the vehicle entrance to the compound is and just walk right in with the guards paying no mind. There is security there as it is now a business park but as long as you pretend like you know where you are going they seem to leave you alone.


Walking into the building you go through a nice lobby with some things of interest but really you want to go quickly by that and get to the gigantic atrium that is the heart of the warehouse:

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Ok, so in this last picture you can get a sense of what you are looking at. There are two railroad tracks that go right down the length of the warehouse. Trains would come in and unload their cargo. Then there where large overhead cranes that would lift it up and set it on one of the concrete platforms hanging into the atrium. Note how they are all offset diagonally - that way the cranes could easily reach all of them. This atrium was about as long as two football fields and had many rows of these concrete boxes. In fact the entire structure is concrete, massive, and yet was built in only about 6 months.

Note you can actually see a train in there. Also, the cover on the platform is not original. Obviously that would have blocked the cranes. That is to protect current tenants from having glass or debri fall on them from up high.

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For some reason the giant concrete blocks kept reminding me of the German pillboxes I saw along the French coast.

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Now, an interesting feature was that this was organized so that different parts along the length of the terminal were where cargo for certain countries was to be offloaded. That was done so that the cargo could go out the same spot on the same pier all the time and so a ship going to a certain country would know where to dock to pick up its cargo.

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So here we see Greece being designated.

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Here you get a few of the length of the warehouse. Note the overhead crane. Do note that the walkway across the atrium that you see is only at the mid-point so that this is actually much longer than it appears in this picture.

To be continued....
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Old July 13th, 2012, 02:51 AM   #2
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The atrium looks like from a sci-fi... so cool!
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Old July 13th, 2012, 02:32 PM   #3
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Wow! I've never heard of it, but it is stunning. Is the building still maintained?
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Old July 13th, 2012, 04:33 PM   #4
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Wow! I've never heard of it, but it is stunning. Is the building still maintained?
Yes, it is maintained very well in fact. There are lots of working businesses in there.

http://www.brooklynarmyterminal.com/

I only was able to explore one building as the security threw me out of the second one before I could really get in.

But this will definitely be there for anyone who wants to explore. You just have to walk in.
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Old July 13th, 2012, 04:57 PM   #5
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interesting thread on New York...
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Old July 13th, 2012, 05:38 PM   #6
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I had never seen anything like those staggered loading bays before, it's quite ingenious.

What is the train there for by the way?
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Old July 13th, 2012, 07:11 PM   #7
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I had never seen anything like those staggered loading bays before, it's quite ingenious.

What is the train there for by the way?
I"m not sure why the train was there. It wasn't open and the windows were blackened so you couldn't even see inside.

BTW, I won't be able to post the remaning pics on this until Monday but if you want to see how this place looked when it was in operation here is a good link:

http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/milrr/bat.html

If you look carefully at the pictures you can see how the huge wharehouses linked to piers in the harbor where ships were loaded. I"ll have more pictures relating to that on my next post.

Also, you'll note the pictures of Elvis Presley. Most US military personnel stationed in Europe went through this terminal to get there. So Elvis went through this terminal as he was shipped out to Europe in the 1950s.
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Old July 13th, 2012, 08:35 PM   #8
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Does New York/Brooklyn still has an important harbor?
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Does New York/Brooklyn still has an important harbor?
Not New York or Brooklyn proper. The main harbor is now in New Jersey, Port Elizabeth and Port Newark. Those are where all the big container ships go.

The New York and Brooklyn waterfront was the main port here for a long time but it was built for bulk items and never had space for containers so when containerization came along in the 60/70s everything moved across New York harbor to New Jersey which because it was swampy land had never been as built up and had plenty of open and flat land for storing containers.

Another problem for New York and Brooklyn were how to transport cargo to the rest of the country. If the cargo arrives in Brooklyn and you want to ship it by train to Ohio there is no easy way to get the loaded rail cars from Brooklyn (which is on an island) over to the mainland, which is New Jersey. They used to have bargers that would carry the rail cars across the harbor to New Jersey but why do that - better to build the port in New Jersey.

Here is a link on the rail barges to take railroad cars across the harbor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_float

They still have the remnants of the loading/unloading platforms which I'll post in the future.

This link shows a few more pictures of railcars crossing the harbor:

http://www.nynjr.com/index.php


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WOW, here is a REALLY GOOD video of them still doing it:

http://live.wsj.com/video/sail-away-...3-755B8A926410

Definitely check out the video. It has good shots of the WTC construction in the background too!!
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Old July 17th, 2012, 05:01 AM   #10
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Continueing on in the Brooklyn Army Terminal first we see a neat poster:

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Back outside this is one of the bridges connecting the two warehouses.

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This connected to the administrative building.

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The covered piers that were used to load ships are gone but there is one pier that is open for recreation and fishing.

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A view of upper New York harbor from the end of the pier.

I tried going into the second building but unfortunately got turned back by a security yard.

Therefore next I decided to head up (north) along the shoreline towards the "Bush Terminal" which is an even bigger complex of warehouses.

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First I went by some smaller buildings along the way.

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There were lots of rail tracks and even a few rail cars.

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Finally I was getting close to the Bush Terminal complex.

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They even had a statue of Bush on their administrative building.

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Most of the Bush Terminal is from the early 20th century but this looked like it was from the late 19th century.

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This even looks a bit like Manchester :-)

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Finally I come to the slightly more modern and gigantic warehouses.

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There was even a bit of graffiti

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Finally I came to the main street that was seemingly unending warehouses. These are now largely used for factories and warehouses. Almost all the people I saw walking around here were Asian or hispanic.

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As you can see some of the buildings are better maintained than others.

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Note all the buildings are numbered.

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Some of the buildings were connected by bridges.

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BTW, have you noticed how they run the power lines right over the tops of the buildings!!

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Old July 17th, 2012, 02:26 PM   #11
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Those are some amazing pictures!
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Amazing!!!! Now I know why you like to live in NY. This is stunning, but probably not very well known. I guess you need 9 lives if you want to explore all of NY.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 01:23 AM   #13
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Amazing!!!! Now I know why you like to live in NY. This is stunning, but probably not very well known. I guess you need 9 lives if you want to explore all of NY.
Well, I don't know about needing 9 lives. There is plenty here but I would guess cities like London, Paris, Berlin and some others have even more to see given that they have more history. But the ironic thing is we often tend to see the interesting sights of cities elsewhere while not visiting such places where we live. I am trying to remedy that.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 01:35 AM   #14
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Finishing up on my visit to the interesting old areas of Sunset Park Brooklyn I kept heading north through the Bush Terminal Market.

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Next up was they massive but fully gutted warehouse. Based on some signs there I believe they were converting it to space for light industry.

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Finally, at the end of the road you get to this:

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Sort of looks like a prison doesn't it? That is because it is a prison. A federal prison where I presume they hold people awaiting trail in New York City.

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Unfortunately after taking a couple of pictures a security guard came out and told me I couldn't photograph the facility. He was wrong to tell me that. Technically in the United States you can legally take photographs of anything as long as you are doing it from a public space. So if you are standing on a sidewalk, as I was, it was perfectly legal for me to take pictures of the prison. But the guard clearly would have taken my camera or arrested me and even if I would have won in the long run it wasn't worth it.

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Walking back around some of the Bush Terminal Buildings.

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Here you can see they are trying to promote the converted warehouse.

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That pretty much exhausted what there was to see there and as I was about to faint from the extreme heat I headed for the closest subway station.

Interestingly, it had some nice murals focusing on the history of the area.

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These murals sort of reminded me of the ones I saw in the Louviere, Belgium train station. Its good to see pride in the local area reflected in things like this.

So Sunset Park Brooklyn is done, for now, but there are plenty more interesting places to come.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 03:01 AM   #15
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oh man those warehouses are awesome! what a great area!
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New York of the Planet of the Apes:

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Well, ok, it isn't exactly that New York has become like the Planet of the Apes. But those are real pictures of a real part of New York that I photographed in July 2012.

Before I start the next picture series on it any guesses on what and where it is?
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Old July 18th, 2012, 12:47 PM   #17
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I seem to recall I read an article on Cracked about this - is it an abandoned mental institution somewhere on an island?
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Shutter Island? hahahaha

Edit: Hart Island. It's always great to see what nature will do once we are gone. How long is it abandonned? The pavement looks reduced to dirt roads with a lot of cracks.

ps: How did you get on it?
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Old July 18th, 2012, 05:25 PM   #19
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I've found the Cracked article I referred to above:

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-amazin...king-distance/

It about an island in New York between Rikers Island and the Bronx called North Brother Island, with an abandoned hospital on it. Apparently Typhoid Mary was kept there on a couple of occasions.
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What I pictured is on an island - but almost all of New York City is on an island.

But it is on the main part of one of the Boroughs, not a small island like North Brother Island (which would be pretty freaky to visit).
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