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Old November 15th, 2012, 04:17 AM   #201
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My 20 for right now (they change quickly)

1. Hong Kong, China (perfect)
2. New York, USA (perfect)
3. Chicago, USA (perfect)
4. Shanghai, China (height heavy, design neutral, dense-heavy, quality poor but improving)
5. Shenzhen, China (dense heavy, height heavy, quality neutral)
6. Bangkok, Thailand (dense and gigantic, quality and design improving)
7. Jakarta, Indonesia (dense and gigantic, height heavy and rapidly moving up)
8. Manila, Philippines (See Jakarta)
9. Guangzhou, China (See Shenzhen, less scenic)
10. Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (dense and big, design neutral but has many quality buildings including icons like Petronas and Menara Telekom)
11. Tokyo, Japan (size is perfect, height scarse, quality's good, backdrop Mt. Fuji is amazing)
12. Dubai, UAE (iconic, height heavy, dense, quality neutral, too boxy, too kitschy)
13. Frankfurt, Germany (quality heavy, dense heavy for a small area, height's okay, size could be improved)
14. Seattle, USA (a perfect skyline is on a smaller scale)
15. London, UK (quality perfect, height improving, density improving, design innovative)
16. Houston, USA (dense, height heavy, quality's okay, moving down list due to relative building inactivity)
17. Singapore, Singapore (quality and dense heavy but lacks icons/landmarks/backdrop/daring designs)
18. Beijing, China (gigantic but boxy outside CCTV and pollution is terrible, rapidly improving)
19. Minneapolis, Minnesota (a perfect skyline for its size, quality, density and design are excellent although relative inactivity and lack of beautiful setting hinder it)
20. Sydney, Australia (a perfect skyline on a smaller scale. Probably deserves a higher ranking but lacks height, daring designs and non boxy buildings to move it up to the next tier)
21. Paris, France (iconic which is surprising due to being height scarse, and lacking landmark buildings, design and quality innovative and setting is great)
22. Pittsburgh, USA (a perfect skyline made even better by a gorgeous river and forest setting, relative building inactivity keeps moving it down ranks)
23. Toronto, Canada* (per conversation) (design and quality heavy, boxy and lack of daring designs hinder rank, skyline layout makes it appear smaller than it truly is, lacks icons, but has a beautiful setting when paired with lakefront islands

if you value size
Add in Mumbai, Panama City, Sao Paulo and Chongqing. Istanbul an honorable mention

If you value quality
Add in Osaka, Seoul, Taipei, Milan, and San Francisco (#24). Baku an honorable mention

if you value height
Add in Moscow, Doha, Seoul, Tianjin. Abu Dhabi an honorable mention
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I love everything on that list, except for 6, 7, and 8.
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Old November 15th, 2012, 04:32 AM   #203
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Check out the Southeast Asian forums. The designs of the buildings are atrocious but improving, the skylines aren't photogenic really, but the scale is absolutely overwhelming. These cities have multiple skylines (i'm talking half a dozen different skylines each) with dozens of supertalls in the pipelines including some that are iconic, have height and are actually good in quality! Plus, the layout of these cities makes building up a necessity and it means these skylines will only continue to grow in leaps and bounds in the future. Quality is my number 1 factor, but the scale of Manila, Jakarta and Bangkok can't be ignored
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Old November 15th, 2012, 04:33 AM   #204
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London and Frankfurt in a top 20? London has a skyline the size of Calgary.

London's skyline is prettier than Calgary's, I'll give it that.
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Old November 15th, 2012, 04:38 AM   #205
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Looks like someone just can't accept that his beloved skyline is not in the top ten of someones list (even worse beat by 3 of the 5 dominant cities in southeast asia )
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London has iconic buildings like the Gherkin, the Shard, Heron Tower, Bishopgate, and even St. Paul's Cathedral and in the future Leadenhall and the Pinnacle. All of those buildings are internationally reknown and give London's a skyline a power boost and make it one of the most recognizable skylines in the world even though the buildings aren't tall and the skyline's size is underwhelming.

Calgary's skyline is bigger than both Frankfurt's and London's, yes, but it also lacks any recognizable buildings. Outside of the Bow, how many buildings in Calgary can the average SSC forumer name? If you don't think iconic buildings matter, though, then Calgary probably trumps both in scale (although lacks in quality, designs, and setting), not to mention is falling behind London in height.
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Looks like someone just can't accept that his beloved skyline is not in the top ten of someones list (even worse beat by 3 of the 5 dominant cities in southeast asia )
I forgot KL which was very stupid of me. If you consider KL and Singapore to be the other 2, then I think the top 5 Southeast Asian all beat Toronto. Actually 40% of my top 10 is in Southeast Asia which is mind boggling when you think about it since I have no ties to the region or any bias towards it.
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London has iconic buildings like the Gherkin, the Shard, Heron Tower, Bishopgate, and even St. Paul's Cathedral and in the future Leadenhall and the Pinnacle. All of those buildings are internationally reknown and give London's a skyline a power boost and make it one of the most recognizable skylines in the world even though the buildings aren't tall and the skyline's size is underwhelming.

Calgary's skyline is bigger than both Frankfurt's and London's, yes, but it also lacks any recognizable buildings. Outside of the Bow, how many buildings in Calgary can the average SSC forumer name? If you don't think iconic buildings matter, though, then Calgary probably trumps both in scale (although lacks in quality, designs, and setting), not to mention is falling behind London in height.
The only London building you mention that I like is the Shard. I hate the Gherkin and the other ones aren't anything special. London buildings do seem to get a lot of attention because they're in London rather than because they're something innovative or special.

If we're talking about self promotion, London should come out on top every time. Are we really going to rate things based on how many people have seen it? London's a big international city that draws millions of visitors. That should have no bearing at all on a skyline rating although its certainly going to cause it to be hugely over rated because lots of people are familiar with it.

St. Paul's? Um.... no comment.
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The only London building you mention that I like is the Shard. I hate the Gherkin and the other ones aren't anything special. London buildings do seem to get a lot of attention because they're in London rather than because they're something innovative or special.

If we're talking about self promotion, London should come out on top every time. Are we really going to rate things based on how many people have seen it? London's a big international city that draws millions of visitors. That should have no bearing at all on a skyline rating although its certainly going to cause it to be hugely over rated because lots of people are familiar with it.

St. Paul's? Um.... no comment.
Like I said if you don't think icons should get bonuses, then give Calgary a leg up. I do think that brand is a huge factor though. Same for Dubai. It gets a boost for being wide recognizable even though I personally find the skyline awful. That being said, my list isn't brand heavy. My top 10 in fact includes places like Jakarta, Manila, Bangkok, Guangzhou and Shenzhen who are underrated simply because they don't have the visibility, yet I give them a higher ranking than London and Frankfurt.

That said, if you define a skyline as a silhouette then who gives a damn about what buildings are making what lines on the silhouette. I just don't follow that logic all the way
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I'll give you props for putting Bangkok and Guangzhou in there, but we're going to disagree on the rest. My Top 25 list is Post #151, but I don't want to spam the thread by repeating it. It's vastly different than yours though.

Manila, Shenzhen, Jakarta, Panama City all fit in the same category for me: big, but forgettable. I've always considered KL and Singapore vastly over rated. When KL starts filling in, I'll like it a whole lot better. Right now it looks like a work in progress and far too scattered.

Looking forward, I'm most interested in Moscow, Mumbai, New York, and yes Toronto. Home town bias aside, it is growing very quickly.
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I forgot KL which was very stupid of me. If you consider KL and Singapore to be the other 2, then I think the top 5 Southeast Asian all beat Toronto. Actually 40% of my top 10 is in Southeast Asia which is mind boggling when you think about it since I have no ties to the region or any bias towards it.
Yes, its Kuala Lumpur and Singapore I actually like the quality of buildings in Toronto (the CN Tower kinda puts me off)

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I'll give you props for putting Bangkok and Guangzhou in there, but we're going to disagree on the rest. My Top 25 list is Post #151, but I don't want to spam the thread by repeating it. It's vastly different than yours though.

Manila, Shenzhen, Jakarta, Panama City all fit in the same category for me: big, but forgettable. I've always considered KL and Singapore vastly over rated. When KL starts filling in, I'll like it a whole lot better. Right now it looks like a work in progress and far too scattered.

Looking forward, I'm most interested in Moscow, Mumbai, New York, and yes Toronto. Home town bias aside, it is growing very quickly.
I'll take a look at your list. And as a Panamanian citizen, I agree with your second paragraph about forgettable and those 4 cities. I will add, though, that there are stages of skyline development and it's always the quality towers that come late. Hong Kong is arguably the best skyline in the world but even 20 years ago, it would have looked like this:



or 10x worse than Jakarta, Manila, Shenzhen and Panama City. It only had two identifiable buildings (the then new Bank of China Tower and Central Plaza). It would have been in the top 20 surely, but the list would have been American heavy with Detroit probably cracking the top 10 even just 20 years ago! I don't like to penalize cities in the middle of the process just because they are in the least aesthetic part of skyline development. In fact, I tend to look at size and give them a bonus cause I know what's next. Cities like Sao Paulo or Johannesburg have been in the ugly phase of skyline development for decades and they still haven't left that part of the process. I penalize them because they didn't get their shit together. I'm not gonna penalize the 4 above because it is natural to have ugly buildings at their level of development and even ugly buildings expand the skyline.

Moscow's CBD looks very faux-modern to me. It's tall and quality but I just don't it developing into an organic and lively part of town. Lots of tall buildings but Dubaiesque in the sense that they will be simply symbols of wealth rather than practical and integrated parts of town. Mumbai will be growing but I don't think the quality will kick in for another 10-15 years. New York is booming and it's my #1 zone of interest right now. Toronto's condo doom is interesting but when I think of Toronto I'm actually more interested in the demographic changes, the immigrant neighborhoods developing and the growth of Toronto into a Tier 1 global city. I can see Toronto having 9-10 million in a few decades.

I'm curious in terms of skyline growth at Abu Dhabi, Cartagena, Doha, Istanbul, Luanda, Miami, Monterrey, Panama City, Rio de Janeiro, Warsaw and tertiary Chinese cities like Wuxi, Hangzhou, Dongguan, Kunming, etc. Also interesting are places like Gold Coast, Brisbane, and Melbourne where the development just never seems to end.
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Somewhere in the top 25 (probably around 20 actually). It has the architecture and the quality for sure. The skyline is hard to photograph, and the designs are somewhat boring and boxy. It has the lakefront setting but that certainly doesn't help when the other cities are Chicago, Hong Kong, Shanghai (other cities with waterscapes). It's beautiful surely but outside of CN Tower lacks iconic status. Vancouver probably has a better skyline if it weren't for a lack of height and a plethora of residential over corporate. But even in North America Toronto would be behind New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Houston and would be even with Minneapolis, Pittsburgh, Dallas, and Miami. Even though it's size is interesting, it just doesn't elicit any emotion out of me (better than a negative reaction surely) but to give it 6th or 7th seems wayyyyyyy too nice
Somewhat agree w/ the comparison between Toronto and Vancouver, the only advantage of Toronto is the CN Tower and somehow the height but overall I find Vancouvers' skyline and organization more interesting. This is IMO though coming from a continent thousand of miles a way from America...

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I forgot KL which was very stupid of me. If you consider KL and Singapore to be the other 2, then I think the top 5 Southeast Asian all beat Toronto. Actually 40% of my top 10 is in Southeast Asia which is mind boggling when you think about it since I have no ties to the region or any bias towards it.
For most I agree w/ your ranking including the ASEAN 5 but personally I cant include Jakarta for now in the Top10, potentially it has... But for now I couldnt... I could even replace it w/ your beloved Panama City in its place, and thats a view fr someone coming from this region.

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Jakarta, Manila, Shenzhen, and Panama City are certainly impressive considering the economic stage of their respective countries. That said, I'm not one for forming a rating based on circumstance or future plans, but a straight comparison from city to city. For example, I wouldn't award Calgary a high mark simply for having a good skyline for its size.

Building cycles do produce their best at the tail end, but ugly phases have more to do with the wealth/sophistication of a city than anything else. Johannesburg and Sao Paulo will have to become richer cities before we see high end buildings become more plentiful.

In Toronto, its more a cultural change than a change in wealth that's occurring. The city is attempting to morph from blue collar pragmatic to white collar cosmopolitan. Toronto is already a very cosmopolitan place, but the cultural shift is only now manifesting itself in design, architecture, art, fashion, etc.

Like you, I'm most interested in what's happening to Toronto socially, culturally, demographically, and economically than the more obvious changes one sees to the built form. The changes happening are enormous and rapid; it's going to be a vastly different city when the dust settles.

Moscow? You're right that it feels like forced modernity, but that speaks to Russian culture. Moscow embracing modern architecture was never going to be an organic process. Russians build big and showy. These were Soviets not too long ago. I'm interested in Moscow as I see Russia as a northern counterpart to Canada in some respects. There are no big Scandinavian cities so Moscow intrigues me.
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Jakarta, Manila, Shenzhen, and Panama City are certainly impressive considering the economic stage of their respective countries. That said, I'm not one for forming a rating based on circumstance or future plans, but a straight comparison from city to city. For example, I wouldn't award Calgary a high mark simply for having a good skyline for its size.

Building cycles do produce their best at the tail end, but ugly phases have more to do with the wealth/sophistication of a city than anything else. Johannesburg and Sao Paulo will have to become richer cities before we see high end buildings become more plentiful.

In Toronto, its more a cultural change than a change in wealth that's occurring. The city is attempting to morph from blue collar pragmatic to white collar cosmopolitan. Toronto is already a very cosmopolitan place, but the cultural shift is only now manifesting itself in design, architecture, art, fashion, etc.

Like you, I'm most interested in what's happening to Toronto socially, culturally, demographically, and economically than the more obvious changes one sees to the built form. The changes happening are enormous and rapid; it's going to be a vastly different city when the dust settles.

Moscow? You're right that it feels like forced modernity, but that speaks to Russian culture. Moscow embracing modern architecture was never going to be an organic process. Russians build big and showy. These were Soviets not too long ago. I'm interested in Moscow as I see Russia as a northern counterpart to Canada in some respects. There are no big Scandinavian cities so Moscow intrigues me.
I've never been interested in post-Soviet Russian history. Soviet history was interesting but when I look at Moscow, I can't help but feel sorry for the city. That downtown screams of faux-modernism. It's a architectural masquerade hiding the deep scars of Russian history, an overbearing statist petrostate, a population still struggling with high rates of alcoholism and depression and a quasi-anarchic state where mob mentality and racist attacks are perfectly okay so long as the perpetrators support United Russia and the rubber-stamp Duma. To me that skyline is a slap in the face to the Russian people. It's a 21st century Potemkin village in a rather ironic, poetic way. So when I look at that skyline I think of everything it could represent and when you see instead look at the street level you find that the City of Capital LED and Mercury City Tower are just appendages of a system where the vast majority of people still live in poverty and only the precious oligarchs are allowed to feast on the country's squandered potential. But I've gone all deep and philosophical so I apologize lol Although I will say if Russia became more like Canada, the world would be a much safer place.
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1 Panamá
2 Cd. de México
3 Sao Paulo
4 Santiago de Chile
5 Buenos Aires
6 Guadalajara
7 Monterrey
8 Acapulco
9 Bogota
10 Rio de Janeiro.
Me gusta mucho pero creo que Buenos Aires deber ser #4 y Santiago #5. Tambien creo que Acapulco debe ser Cartagena y que #9 debe ser Caracas, no Bogota.
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