daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > World Development News Forums > General Urban Developments

General Urban Developments Discussions of projects shorter than 100m/300ft. Also, please post all other threads not specified in other Development News subforums here.



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old July 31st, 2012, 06:15 PM   #1
RobertWalpole
BANNED
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 4,607
Likes (Received): 2508

NEW YORK | 39 West 23rd Street | 23 fl | Pro

Pope's hat now out, replaced by new COOK+FOX design:



------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Developer Officially Buys Pope Hat Site



Anbau Enterprises officially purchased the site at 22 West 24th Street, which cements its control over the block-through parking site from 23rd to 24th Street where it is planning to build Carlos Zapata's 23-story Pope Hat building. In an interview published in December 2011, Anbau's managing partner Barbara van Beuren said that the project was slated to break ground in August-November of this year. Zapata's folded glass Pope Hat design is a 23-story tower containing two units per floor with a few penthouses up top. The land at 22 West 24th was once the site of architect Stanford White's sex palace, where he carried on an affair with the very youthful Evelyn Nesbit before her lunatic husband shot White in a fit of jealousy. Anbau closed on the property for $3.5 million.

http://ny.curbed.com/
__________________

TowerVerre:) liked this post

Last edited by desertpunk; September 25th, 2013 at 07:22 PM.
RobertWalpole no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old August 30th, 2012, 12:23 AM   #2
sbarn
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NYC & Bay Area
Posts: 1,222
Likes (Received): 991

Unfortunately this one remains an active parking lot. Hopefully they get started on construction in the next year or so.

image hosted on flickr

(photo by me)
sbarn no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 6th, 2012, 06:44 AM   #3
ThatOneGuy
Psst! Check my signature!
 
ThatOneGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Toronto - Bucharest - Freeport
Posts: 21,506

Not too fond of this design.
ThatOneGuy no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 3rd, 2013, 04:07 AM   #4
desertpunk
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
 
desertpunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: ELP ~ ABQ
Posts: 55,648
Likes (Received): 53453

Habemus Papam!




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Developer Officially Buys Pope Hat Site

Quote:
Anbau Enterprises officially purchased the site at 22 West 24th Street, which cements its control over the block-through parking site from 23rd to 24th Street where it is planning to build Carlos Zapata's 23-story Pope Hat building. In an interview published in December 2011, Anbau's managing partner Barbara van Beuren said that the project was slated to break ground in August-November of this year. Zapata's folded glass Pope Hat design is a 23-story tower containing two units per floor with a few penthouses up top. The land at 22 West 24th was once the site of architect Stanford White's sex palace, where he carried on an affair with the very youthful Evelyn Nesbit before her lunatic husband shot White in a fit of jealousy. Anbau closed on the property for $3.5 million.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Carlos Zapata Reveals 'Lenten Version' Of "Pope's Hat"







Quote:
The wonky design for a new mixed-use tower just west of Madison Square, once left for dead but recently resurrected by developer Anbau Enterprises, is getting a mini-facelift. That plan from Carlos Zapata Studio will be presented to the Landmarks Preservation Commission on Tuesday, and offers a re-working of the condo entrance and facade at 22 West 24th Street. What's seen is mildly minimal, an expanse of flatness and offset banding that contrasts with the older buildings nearby. Apparently the 2007 design for the prominent Pope Hat set to rise over West 23rd is still intact.






--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Site already prepared (thanks to a building collapse!):


http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15702
__________________
We are floating in space...

Last edited by desertpunk; April 12th, 2013 at 11:17 AM.
desertpunk no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 19th, 2013, 05:08 PM   #5
Talbot
3rd Coast
 
Talbot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Houston
Posts: 1,123
Likes (Received): 14

I like the bottom until it passes the buildings on the side of it in height, after that it gets kind of funky looking.
Talbot no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 22nd, 2013, 02:47 AM   #6
RobertWalpole
BANNED
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 4,607
Likes (Received): 2508

Is anything happening with this?
RobertWalpole no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 25th, 2013, 07:19 PM   #7
desertpunk
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
 
desertpunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: ELP ~ ABQ
Posts: 55,648
Likes (Received): 53453

Pope's hat now gone!

COOKFOX Reimagines Pope Hat Building as Crazy 3D Puzzle



Quote:
Carlos Zapata's Pope Hat Building was one of the wackiest designs we've seen around these parts—in a historic district, no less—so it was with some sadness that we watched the plans for it slowly fizzle out over the years. But the site's new owner of the 39-41 West 23rd Street, Anbau Enterprises, who purchased it in 2010 for $18.5 million, still intends to build condos there, and luckily for us and everyone else who loves a good crazy building, they have retained the services of COOKFOX Architects for the redesign.

COOKFOX's new designs are less wacky than Zapata's Pope Hat, but still plenty wacky in their own right, featuring a base that rises up, stops, sets back, rotates 90 degrees, and continues up with a large cantilevered section, making the entire building look like two three-dimensional puzzle pieces, or perhaps a building wearing another building on its head. Unlike, the Pope Hat, however, which had a "curvilinear, sculptural form enclosed in a glass skin," the new form will be "more structural and rectilinear," which the architects felt to be more appropriate for the district.






Since the LPC commissioners continue to have issues with the project, expect more changes to come...
__________________
We are floating in space...

Neungz liked this post
desertpunk no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 25th, 2013, 10:10 PM   #8
Archaean
BANNED
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Singapore
Posts: 345
Likes (Received): 311

What a downgrade.
Archaean no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 25th, 2013, 10:30 PM   #9
ThatOneGuy
Psst! Check my signature!
 
ThatOneGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Toronto - Bucharest - Freeport
Posts: 21,506

So, so much better. Fits NYC much better than the glass blob and it looks totally classy.
__________________
Check out my band, Till I Conquer!

bozenBDJ, dexter2, streetscapeer liked this post
ThatOneGuy no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 25th, 2013, 10:34 PM   #10
babybackribs2314
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: New York
Posts: 560
Likes (Received): 545

It resembles their proposal for 68-74 Trinity Place.
__________________
My blog with photo updates and development news: New York YIMBY

& follow YIMBY on Twitter! New York YIMBY Twitter
babybackribs2314 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old September 26th, 2013, 03:42 AM   #11
RobertWalpole
BANNED
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 4,607
Likes (Received): 2508

Oh well. At least, we got a great Zapata tower (which is similar to this proposal) by Astor Place.

It will be nice to get rid of that lot too.
RobertWalpole no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old October 16th, 2013, 08:05 PM   #12
desertpunk
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
 
desertpunk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: ELP ~ ABQ
Posts: 55,648
Likes (Received): 53453

Revised COOKFOX Puzzle Building Approved by Landmarks



Quote:
COOKFOX's crazy cantilevered building proposal for 39-41 West 23 Street divided the Landmarks Commission when it was presented last month. A revised version of the design, simplified and toned down slightly, was presented yesterday and, although not every member of the Commission was convinced that the building is appropriate for a historic district, enough were that the plans were granted approval.

The building, to be constructed on the site of another controversial proposal, the Pope Hat building (which never ended up happening), retained the basic premise of its original design—a nine-story base with a cantilevered section and secondary facade.








__________________
We are floating in space...

dexter2 liked this post
desertpunk no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 31st, 2015, 02:13 AM   #13
LondoniumLex
BANNED
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Greenwich
Posts: 1,773
Likes (Received): 2064

Hopefully, this will start soon.

Today
__________________
LondoniumLex no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 1st, 2015, 05:56 AM   #14
RegentHouse
City Development Shitlord
 
RegentHouse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,216
Likes (Received): 771

The original design is amazing! Too bad we're getting a generic filler instead.
RegentHouse no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 1st, 2015, 03:58 PM   #15
hordak1975
Registered User
 
hordak1975's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 610
Likes (Received): 253

COOKFOX doesn't make generic fillers -_-
hordak1975 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 1st, 2015, 04:55 PM   #16
hateman
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 701
Likes (Received): 1803

COOKFOX are one of the best firms working in NYC right now. Their buildings are usually handsome and skillfully designed, and designed for New York. Those pope hat buildings are already dated and have horrible street level architecture.
__________________
We are seeking to follow the type of architecture which is good in the sense that it does not of necessity follow the whims of the moment but seeks an artistry that ought to be good, as far as we can tell, for all time to come. -FDR

We shape our buildings; thereafter they shape us. -Winston Churchill

dexter2, hordak1975 liked this post
hateman no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 2nd, 2015, 01:05 AM   #17
RegentHouse
City Development Shitlord
 
RegentHouse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,216
Likes (Received): 771

Quote:
Originally Posted by hordak1975 View Post
COOKFOX doesn't make generic fillers -_-
If the Bank of America Tower wasn't a collaboration with first-rate world architects Adamson Associates, COCKFOX would give us some monstrosity like the Eventi. I refuse to consider the BoA Tower as one of their works.

Quote:
Originally Posted by hateman View Post
COOKFOX are one of the best firms working in NYC right now. Their buildings are usually handsome and skillfully designed, and designed for New York. Those pope hat buildings are already dated and have horrible street level architecture.
I agree the street level architecture in the current rendition is better than the previous, but the Pope Hat was far more innovative.

Last edited by RegentHouse; April 3rd, 2015 at 09:01 AM.
RegentHouse no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 2nd, 2015, 05:55 PM   #18
sbarn
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NYC & Bay Area
Posts: 1,222
Likes (Received): 991

Quote:
Originally Posted by RegentHouse View Post
If the Bank of America Tower wasn't a collaboration with first-rate world architects Adamson Associates, COCKFOX would give us some monstrosity like the Eventi. I refuse to consider the BoA Tower as one of their works.
What? COOKFOX was absolutely the lead design architect for the Bank of America Tower, I know people who worked on it. Adamson merely did the construction documents.

The Eventi was designed by Perkins Eastman.

Some other COOKFOX works:

150 Charles

Source

City Point

Source

301 East 50th Street

Source
__________________

Last edited by sbarn; April 2nd, 2015 at 06:06 PM.
sbarn no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 3rd, 2015, 11:37 PM   #19
hateman
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 701
Likes (Received): 1803

Future projects:

Lafayette St:


Pacific Park:








This is better than 90% of the stuff being built in nyc.
__________________
We are seeking to follow the type of architecture which is good in the sense that it does not of necessity follow the whims of the moment but seeks an artistry that ought to be good, as far as we can tell, for all time to come. -FDR

We shape our buildings; thereafter they shape us. -Winston Churchill

TowerVerre:) liked this post
hateman no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 4th, 2015, 12:50 AM   #20
RegentHouse
City Development Shitlord
 
RegentHouse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,216
Likes (Received): 771

...

Last edited by RegentHouse; April 4th, 2015 at 09:19 AM.
RegentHouse no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
35 w.23rd st., 39 w.23rd st., 39-41 w.23rd, new york, pope's hat bldg.

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 12:03 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

Hosted by Blacksun, dedicated to this site too!
Forum server management by DaiTengu