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Old September 6th, 2016, 07:57 PM   #141
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Court hearing on streetcar extension set for Thursday

The public will get a chance to weigh in on the proposed 3.5-mile extension of Kansas City’s streetcar line during a hearing scheduled to begin at 9 a.m. Thursday in the sixth-floor circuit courtroom at the Jackson County Courthouse, 415 E. 12th St[...]
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I think they need to consider putting expansions on the ballot this year.
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Attention KC streetcar critics: Better speak up Thursday on expansion


A few weeks ago, some Kansas City Council members such as Katheryn Shields put up big caution signs about going forward with extending the so-far successful downtown streetcar line[...]
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Kansas City streetcar sales tax revenues exceed projections

Sales tax collections within Kansas City’s downtown streetcar taxing district grew considerably in the past two years, even before the streetcar started operating[...]
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Light-rail plan will make KC prosperous, transit-oriented

Ten years ago an imponderable opportunity was laid at Kansas City’s doorstep by voters who approved investing in a light rail-based system[...]
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Chastain's last stand: Activist says this is his final light-rail bid

The Kansas City light-rail proposal on the Nov. 8 ballot will represent longtime transit activist Clay Chastain's last stand[...]
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Old September 30th, 2016, 04:48 AM   #148
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KC streetcar Board unanimously advances plans to acquire 2 additional streetcars

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An expansion will change the streetcar from a novelty item for tourists into a real transit line. The enormous ridership proves just how successful it is.
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An expansion will change the streetcar from a novelty item for tourists into a real transit line. The enormous ridership proves just how successful it is.
a feasibility study is going to be done to consider an extention to the riverfront park:

http://kcstreetcar.org/wp-content/up...tudy-Final.pdf



Also, the series of elections that will set up the south expansion to "the plaza" and to UMKC is already in motion

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So now, the first streetcar mail-in ballot election is expected to take place between May and July. If voters approve the new streetcar district, an election would occur in September 2017 at polling places, to elect board members for the new taxing district.

Finally, there would be another mail-in election between November 2017 and January 2018 to actually approve the taxes for the new streetcar district.

Even if all those approvals occur, an expanded streetcar route isn’t expected to open until 2023 at the earliest, because of the lengthy design, construction and vehicle procurement process.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local...#storylink=cpy
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Old October 2nd, 2016, 09:43 AM   #151
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Well said. I have to ad that streetcar loops of limited use other than as tourist toy are far too prevalent in the US. But the Kansas streetcar is not one of those lines. There is only one small loop at the ver northern end. Such a thing is not a big deal even if it should get extend eventually as it only affects one stop (or two half stops) among many.

The major downside so far is simply that it doesn't get far enough yet but that is nothing the anti-rail crowd would want to do anything about.
Just because someone doesn't back a streetcar does not make them "anti-rail."

I still think it is far too early to call the route a success when they aren't paying any fares. If the line is extended then fares will have to come and only then will you find out if people will really use it.

The line does seem well designed and not some stupid circular tourist route that American cities have a habit of building. That said my issue is not with the streetcar itself but rather the money used.

This is one very little line in a sprawling city that already has very little transit and even less ridership. For me it comes down to priorities......a small streetcar or an extensive true BRT system that would actually serve hundreds of thousands of more people than this little lie does. For transit dependent people this is a novelty and does nothing for their daily commute weill an extensive BRT would do a lot. Some will say that BRT isn't "sexy" enough but people who think that wouldn't take the streetcar either. The job of transit is not to make people feel all warm & fuzzy about their city but rather to move as many people as possible from A to B.

Another problem is when they eventually start to charge transit fares resulting in an inevitable plunge in revenues the city politician {who themselves wouldn't be caught dead on transit} will bleed the rest of the system dry in operational funds in order to keep their pet project running.
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Old October 2nd, 2016, 03:52 PM   #152
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The thing is, streetcars do encourage development and revitalization. All around the world.
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Old October 2nd, 2016, 08:17 PM   #153
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Just because someone doesn't back a streetcar does not make them "anti-rail."

I still think it is far too early to call the route a success when they aren't paying any fares. If the line is extended then fares will have to come and only then will you find out if people will really use it.

The line does seem well designed and not some stupid circular tourist route that American cities have a habit of building. That said my issue is not with the streetcar itself but rather the money used.

This is one very little line in a sprawling city that already has very little transit and even less ridership. For me it comes down to priorities......a small streetcar or an extensive true BRT system that would actually serve hundreds of thousands of more people than this little lie does. For transit dependent people this is a novelty and does nothing for their daily commute weill an extensive BRT would do a lot. Some will say that BRT isn't "sexy" enough but people who think that wouldn't take the streetcar either. The job of transit is not to make people feel all warm & fuzzy about their city but rather to move as many people as possible from A to B.

Another problem is when they eventually start to charge transit fares resulting in an inevitable plunge in revenues the city politician {who themselves wouldn't be caught dead on transit} will bleed the rest of the system dry in operational funds in order to keep their pet project running.
This post is wrong, and not subjectively, like a viewpoint I don't agree with, but objectively, since it contain logical mistakes and some bias/misconceptions.
  • There are three statements in it:
    - a transit service can't be judged a success if it's free-of-charge;
    - among the purposes of transit there's not being charming;
    - the (only) job of transit is to move as many people as possible from A to B along a corridor.
    Those statements are in mutual contradiction and the only one true is, obviously, the latter.
    1. Public transport is not an economic enterprise, which goal is to make a profit, but a public service which benefits are mostly externalities: it is almost everywhere more or less heavily subsidized, and it's up to local authorities to determine which level of coverage (even zero) of operative expenses should be drawn by fares.
      In fact, this feature is shared by all transportation modes: also the vast majority of the street grid (except “few” miles of toll roads) is built and mantained by the community, without poducing any revenue; however, no one would say that a new arterial road, fairly crowded by cars, is a failure because they can drive it for free.
      Hence, even a free-of-charge streetcar can be judged a success, basing upon ridership-related parameters.
    2. In a democracy, as USA fortunately are, people can't be coerced in using a transit service, but they have to be “catched” by this mode in order to move as many as possible of them: hence, being charming and transmitting a positive image is also a job of transit: if you see it as something which improve the urban shape, you'll be more inclined to actually use it; and viceversa (it's a proven fact).
  • Setting the fares at zero attract mostly “useless rides".. Wrong!
    In Portland the end of Fareless square/Free Rail Zone had a negligible impact on ridership, and conversely in Tallinn a wholesome PT network free for citizens caused an increase of ridership by only 14%, and almost all of it is produced by modal shift (they previously used another mode of transport in making the same trip).
    Bias based on the prejudice that “it's valuable only what has a price”.
  • An extensive true BRT system that would actually serve hundreds of thousands of more people than this little lie does. Wrong!
    If we look at the few true US BRT (most of them are BRT only-by-name), we'll see the same order of magnitude in average daily boardings of this little lie (6˙800 pass/day during these months), in spite of far longer routes: ~7˙500 pass/day Eugene EMX (14,8 mi), ~16˙000 pass/day Cleveland Healtline and Las Vegas SDX (6,8 mi and 10,9 mi), ~22˙500 pass/day Los Angeles Orange line (22 mi).
    Bias based on both the prejudices “the bigger the better” and “buses supremacy”.
  • For transit dependent people this ... does nothing for their daily commute. So what?
    This does something for the almost 7 thousand people who use it each day, as well as for boasting prosperity along its route.
    Bias based on the prejudice that “transit is only for low-income people and suburban commuters”.
  • ...when they eventually start to charge transit fares resulting in an inevitable plunge in revenues the politician ... will bleed the rest of the system dry in operational funds in order to keep their pet project running. Preposterous!
    Firstly, the plunge in ridership is unavoidable only in your head, while the plunge in revenues it's blatantly nonsensical: they simply can't go below zero, which is their current level (free-of-charge means no revenue). Moreover, the cost for keep this streetcar running is currently coming from a TDD (Transportation Development District) voted by downtown property owners themselves*: it doesn't affect the rest of the sistem now, when ist's free, and more so if a fare is charged.
    Bias based on not knowing enough the project and on lack of the bare minimum mastership in logic and finance.

And after all this, someone could really think he might sell himself as if he's not (at least unaware) anti-rail and anti-transit?


* more details about KC streetcar funding on this article from The Rivard Report.
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"Chastain streetcar petition has enough valid signatures for election ballot"

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The streetcar plan would ask voters to approve a 3/8 -cent citywide sales tax for 25 years to help fund a $1 billion, 26-mile streetcar system, building on the city’s 2.2-mile streetcar starter route. This would be Chastain’s 10th Kansas City ballot measure in 20 years.
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Hopefully that will go down in flames, as with most of the rest of the Chastain petitions.

Anyway, I've got some shots of the streetcar in a "Downtown Kansas City" video I made earlier this year:



I've also got some near the beginning of my "Summer Time in Kansas City" video.



Be sure to have your speakers on for both.

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Are against light rail in KC or against this Yahoo's plan for light rail in KC?
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Against that yahoo's plans. He is a serial initiative-starter and his plans almost always are at odds with the city's plans, and/or are completely unrealistic.
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Here is a quick video of the Kansas City Streetcar which includes the entire route time lapse.

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Appreciate the videos. Curious, what day and time of day were those videos taken because the city seems nearly devoid of people?
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