IRAQ | Foreign Affairs

[Ali - Iraq]

Originally Posted by alshawi1234

Each person is entitled to his own bias opinion. But at the end of the day it's iraq's interest what matters most, not the Arab countries, not Iran.

Exactly.

[Al-Hashimi]

I don't see any answer for that? Where was it?

What has Sheytan with this to do? He is just one person with his own opinions? Although a qualified person who apparently lived in Iraq recently. I fail to see how that can even be a good step when we have gas ourselves.

No, it's an EXCELLENT comparison. No, you cannot make that comparison. For a crucial and simple reason alone. The Ba'ath Party that ruled Iraq is long gone and all its leaders. That was 9 years ago. The exact same regime which has the blood of thousands of Iraqis on their hands is still in power in Iran.....

I am not against good and healthy relations with neigbours. But just not those we see currently. That is all.

At least you admit that the huge Iranian influence in Iraq is bad.

Come on? What is there to proof? Are you denying that Iran have and is financing the Al-Sadr and Al-Hakim gangs? What about KH? They are trained in Iran and Iranian volunteers are among their ranks. I don't know if you are even joking or not.

You still fail to understand that the terrorists who are coming to Iraq are not send by any government. Because that would make no sense since those same terrorists who are coming to Iraq are wanted in their homelands and a threat for the security of those countries. Read about this for a second, habibi.

WHAT? So you don't see anything bad in the Al-Sadr and the Al-Hakim gangs? I am truly disappointed.

I would also ban Chinese products that are harming our economy. Also producs from fellow Arab countries.

We should be smart and ruthless in dealings. I also miss a much harder stance towards the blocking of water flow by Syria, Turkey and Iran. This is very damaging for the Iraqi farmers who are doing an excellent job under harsh circumtances.

We should aim to be an indenpendent power again. This can happen with healthy relations with neighbours but on our terms.

Read about those theories. Iran were as much to blame for this if not more.

[Ali - Iraq]

Al hasimi why do you not qoute? i really don't know what you are referring to. If you want me to answer on your questions then quote ..

[Al-Hashimi]

Yes, but it is much harder work and takes extra time.

I have written answers in each section to each of your quotations. You will see that when you read my posts.

Sorry. Anyway I think I said all that is to be said on this matter.

[Ali - Iraq]

It's up to you. Well i have always been wondering how politicians in Iraq don't agree, but know i really do understand.

[Al-Hashimi]

But what is there to agree on?

One part consider the current state of Iraqi-Iranian cooperation as a good thing and another part consider the extent unhealthy and damaging.

I really don't see a big issue.

I think all my claims are valid and I have made plenty of arguments that support my case. And my opinion is shared by the VAST majority of Iraqi Sunni Arabs and even many fellow Iraqi Shi'ah Arabs - not to mention Arabs as a whole.

Defending Iraqi interests before Iranian and being against Iraqis who prefer Iran rather than Iraq is not a crime either.

That is why the brilliant Awakening Councils largely eliminated the traitors among their own people (Iraqi Sunni Arabs) and this we are all joyful about. We await the fate of those in other regions of Iraq.

[Ali - Iraq]

Ok Hashimi lets play a game called we are politicians and we need to reach a compromise. I'm Malikey and you let's say Mutlaq. I'm elected democratically to be Iraq's president. I'm willing to cooperate with Iran both economically and militarily, if it doesn't harm Iraq. You are against it. How should we solve it?

[Al-Hashimi]

If it is in favour of Iraq then why not? But I would ask you if you could find another option that had the same potential before accepting the proposal from Iran. If that was not possible then why not?

As I always said - I am not against an healthy relationship with Iran. I am against that seen today and the political and secterian extent of that Iranian influence.

And to tell you honestly I am also against cooperating with the current Iranian regime because they have the blood of thousands of Iraqis on their hands (Shi'ah, Sunni etc.)

We should not except such a thing but instead help free Iran and its people from such people.

This is my opinion.

[Ali - Iraq]

I am against that seen today and the political and secterian extent of that Iranian influence

Where is the sectarianism ? These are the current ministers which are sunni:
Deputy Prime Minister :Saleh al-Mutlaq
Finance Minister: Rafi al-Issawi
Agriculture Minister: Izz al-Din al-Dawla
Communication minister: Mohammed Tawfiq Allawi
acting Minister of Defense of Iraq;Saadoun al-Dulaimi
Education Minister:Mohammed Tamim
Industry & Minerals Minister: Ahmad Nassar Dali al-Karbouli
Science & Technology Minister: Abd al-Karim al-Samarrai
Minister of State for Tribal Affairs: Hussein Ali al-Shaalan
Minister of State: Salah Mazahem al-Jibouri
Minister of State for Provincial Affairs: Turhan Abdullah

[Al-Hashimi]

Originally Posted by Ali - Iraq

Where is the sectarianism ? These are the current ministers which are sunni:
Deputy Prime Minister :Saleh al-Mutlaq
Finance Minister: Rafi al-Issawi
Agriculture Minister: Izz al-Din al-Dawla
Communication minister: Mohammed Tawfiq Allawi
acting Minister of Defense of Iraq;Saadoun al-Dulaimi
Education Minister:Mohammed Tamim
Industry & Minerals Minister: Ahmad Nassar Dali al-Karbouli
Science & Technology Minister: Abd al-Karim al-Samarrai
Minister of State for Tribal Affairs: Hussein Ali al-Shaalan
Minister of State: Salah Mazahem al-Jibouri
Minister of State for Provincial Affairs: Turhan Abdullah

I was not referring to this at all. I am referring to the fact that Iran is an exponent of secterianism and this has been clearly shown and exposed in Iraq through Al-Sadr, Al-Hakim, KH etc. who all have very close political ties with Iran and enjoy financial support.

[Ali - Iraq]

I was not referring to this at all. I am referring to the fact that Iran is an exponent of secterianism and this has been clearly shown and exposed in Iraq through Al-Sadr, Al-Hakim, KH etc. who all have very close political ties with Iran and enjoy financial support.

Ok i see

[sheytanElKebir]

just to butt in. the situation with regards to Iraq flaring its own gas forcing it to PAY for importing gas is not a good situation at all. ironically its the parliamentary opposition to the Shell-Mitsubishi joint venture many years ago that delayed the implementation of Iraq's large scale associated gas infrastructure... by which these parliamentary opposition, unwittingly LOL, gave iran lots of money!!!

[Ali - Iraq]

Originally Posted by sheytanElKebir

just to butt in. the situation with regards to Iraq flaring its own gas forcing it to PAY for importing gas is not a good situation at all. ironically its the parliamentary opposition to the Shell-Mitsubishi joint venture many years ago that delayed the implementation of Iraq's large scale associated gas infrastructure... by which these parliamentary opposition, unwittingly LOL, gave iran lots of money!!!

Thanks for clarifying. Al hashimi thinks Iraq does it in order to help Iran....

[Al-Hashimi]

No, I never said that Iraq does it in order to help Iran. Please find a quote from my saying that.

All I have said is that it was a bad thing for Iraq while you said it was positve. You even said to me that we should wait for Sheytan and now he has also said that it is bad

[sheytanElKebir]

but the people in parliament opposed it because a "safawi" (shahristani) came up with the deal with shell-mitsubishi. so by opposing it, they burned billions in iraqi gas... and gave CASH to their bitter enemy Iran!

[Ali - Iraq]

No, I never said that Iraq does it in order to help Iran. Please find a quote from my saying that.

You implied that.

All I have said is that it was a bad thing for Iraq while you said it was positve

Well yeah actually i thought it was positive. Nevertheless it was an error done by the government. All in all we had to buy some gas for our error...

but the people in parliament opposed it because a "safawi" (shahristani) came up with the deal with shell-mitsubishi. so by opposing it, they burned billions in iraqi gas... and gave CASH to their bitter enemy Iran!

Sheytanelkabir seriously where do you get all these information from? I'm like reading almost every Iraqi news and none of them indicates what you are saying? I'm not saying that you are lien at all but are you a spy or something? Or do you work with Sharhistani? xD. Where do you get your information from? :S

[Al-Hashimi]

Originally Posted by sheytanElKebir

but the people in parliament opposed it because a "safawi" (shahristani) came up with the deal with shell-mitsubishi. so by opposing it, they burned billions in iraqi gas... and gave CASH to their bitter enemy Iran!

Massive failure. It was probably Misha'an who orchestred it all through his little channel, LOL.

[Chounz]

Which channel is that?

[Ali - Iraq]

Why do we not just use the gas in Iraq for power stations then?

[Al-Hashimi]

Arrai TV or what it is called

I love his rants when I have seen him debate with others.

Remember these clips?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I1SK...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUjIp...watch_response

We are proud of him, LOL and he is an idol of mine