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Old September 10th, 2012, 11:16 AM   #201
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You deserve a ban already.
Do you have any counterarguments to what he wrote?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponary_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Security_Police
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuan...r_II#Lithuania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ypatingasis_b%C5%ABrys

Actually, he should have written: "The Lithuanians were willing collaborators with the Nazis."

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Poles were Stalin's (happy? ) buddies and occupants.
Any Source?

BTW,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_...and_%281939%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursed_soldiers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolno%C...2o%C5%9B%C4%87

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Occupied Belarusian, Ukrainian and Lithuanian territories were given to their true owners.

Lwow/Lviv for example was part of Poland for ~500 years. "Occupied Ukrainian territories" sounds like a joke to me

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You will learn even more after reading "Dyskusja nad odbudową Gdańska" . It only depends on You, will you be after the reading anyway, despite the facts, very proud of how Poles rebuilt Gdańsk or a little bit shame.
As a matter of fact, I read this article (http://chomikuj.pl/racibo/Tr*c3*b3jm...,117901792.txt)...and most of the Polish historians and architects had exactly the same opinion about Danzig/Gdansk in 1945-1948 that markus1234 has today ("Poland was the "fuel" for Danzig[...] Danzig was not kind of a Germanic hanseatic "island", it was (the most important) part of the Polish Vistula trade route").

Article about the reconstruction of Gdansk:
http://translate.google.com/translat...%2Cid%2Ct.html
http://translate.google.com/translat...3axzz263evRwND

Stanislaw Michel - great architect who has designed from scratch beautiful St. Mary's Street in Gdansk:

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Old September 10th, 2012, 01:04 PM   #202
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Actually, he should have written: "The Lithuanians were willing collaborators with the Nazis."]
As were the Poles. Remember the Czechoslovakia.

Actually, anyone was collaborating with anyone on these times to protect their interests and we only collaborated with both Germans and Soviets to get our historical capital back.
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Old September 10th, 2012, 01:09 PM   #203
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As were the Poles.
Bullsh!t

"Unlike in most European countries occupied by Nazi Germany—where the Germans sought and found true collaborators among the locals—in occupied Poland there was no official collaboration either at the political or at the economic level. Poland also never officially surrendered to the Germans."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collabo..._War_II#Poland

My grandpa was sent to the Stutthof concentration camp and idiots like you are writing such a nonsense...

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Old September 10th, 2012, 01:28 PM   #204
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Do you have any counterarguments to what he wrote?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponary_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Security_Police
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuan...r_II#Lithuania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ypatingasis_b%C5%ABrys

Actually, he should have written: "The Lithuanians were willing collaborators with the Nazis."
God, what is wrong with You?
I could throw here tens of articles how Poles were killing Ukrainians, Lithuanians, how there were pogroms after the war in Polish towns against Jews with the killings of peaceful people, how Poles raped and killed local Lithuanian teenager girl in the 1930s in Maišiagala town, just because she was Lithuanian and so on, but I am smart enough to understand that in every nation there are some bastards and some people to use stupid, weak people as a tools for their misdeeds.
There were 100 or 150 bastard Lithuanians, who were participating in these massacres and you put it "Lithuanians [3 000 000???] were killing Jews". Is everything all-right here??
Who do You think You are to dare to say "Originally Posted by markus1234
"Lithuanians were Hitler's buddies."???
Could you say it personally to 3000 Lithuanians who were saving Jews or to tens of thousands of Lithuanians, who were sent to death camps and to the factories in Germany to work in slavery? Would you dare?

About Lviv. Yeah right, territory of Poland with inhabitants Ukrainians, polonized Ukrainians and colonizers Poles or you think, that Poland prior to 1795 was an ethnic state, the state of only Poles??
Probably it belonged to Poles and Prague then should belong to Germans as it was in various German states for hundreds of years, right?
And Wilno was always Polish city on ethnic lands of Poland. And Eastern Prussia was also always Polish and Poland. Amen and period.

Nevermind. I'll better put some photos here. Discussions about Vilnius with Poles is just a waste of time anyway.
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Old September 10th, 2012, 01:43 PM   #205
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Stanislaw Michel - great architect who has designed from scratch beautiful St. Mary's Street in Gdansk:
Gdansk is a nice city and some parts are restored with care, but let's know all the truth about rebuilding of the city.
In the book of J. Friedrich "Dyskusja nad odbudową Gdańska. 1945-1948" there is a passage how Edmund Osmańczyk felt about Gdansk when visiting it in 1945 "Before the departure to Gdansk, I was in Warszawa. Inside of me was emptiness, I was longing for the Old sweet Warszawa, that was destroyed.[...] Here in Gdansk I was looking at destoyed city with no feeling. When Prof. Jan Kilarski told me, that Marienkirche can't be restored, I was ineffable happy."
Later passages tell us how Poles rebuilt only the parts with the buildings, that were built during the rule of the Crown, to show, that the city was always Polish or adding elements of other regions of Poland, that were not typical for Gdansk, to prove Polishness, again. The buildings, that were built during Hanza periods, other periods of German rule, were simply not restored. Some buildings were also restored as they looked during the Polish rule, despite before the war they looked differently and so on.
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Old September 10th, 2012, 01:45 PM   #206
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"Lithuania never provided Germany with a National Legion during WWII, although from the very start of the German occupation quite a few volunteers came forward. It is estimated that as many as 50,000 eventually served in German sponsored units during 1941-45."

http://www.feldgrau.com/lith.html
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Old September 10th, 2012, 01:52 PM   #207
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"Lithuania never provided Germany with a National Legion during WWII, although from the very start of the German occupation quite a few volunteers came forward. It is estimated that as many as 50,000 eventually served in German sponsored units during 1941-45."

http://www.feldgrau.com/lith.html
Really, only 50 000? I thought at least 50 000 000 of Lithuanians
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Old September 10th, 2012, 02:01 PM   #208
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Nothing to laugh about, Lithuanians were allied with Hitler, period.
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Old September 10th, 2012, 02:03 PM   #209
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Really, only 50 000? I thought at least 50 000 000 of Lithuanians
Impossible. There aren't enough Lithuanians in whole world
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Old September 10th, 2012, 02:03 PM   #210
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Nothing to laugh about, Lithuanians were allied with Hitler, period.
Nothing to laugh about, Poles were allied with Hitler and later with Stalin.
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Poland had balls to fight against nazis unlike Lithuania who made a friendship with Hitler, shame on you.
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Old September 10th, 2012, 02:21 PM   #212
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Shut the hell up and post some photos you sad, sad people.
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Old September 10th, 2012, 02:33 PM   #213
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Poland had balls to fight against nazis unlike Lithuania who made a friendship with Hitler, shame on you.
Yes, fight. For 17 days. Poland - The Great and Strong.
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God, what is wrong with You?
I could throw here tens of articles how Poles were killing Lithuanians,
http://www.jedrusie.org/laskarys/eng...i/image135.JPG
Lithuanian soldiers captured by Poles and released in long underpants.

This is how Poles tried to "kill" you.

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Old September 10th, 2012, 02:35 PM   #215
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They thought Great Britain would support them. The rest is history. After WWI, the Polish nation was only established to weaken Germany. They only were a tool. A tool.
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Yes, fight. For 17 days. Poland - The Great and Strong.
Not 17 days but the all war long.
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This is how Poles tried to "kill" you.
http://www.punskas.pl/parapija/beznyko/index.htm This is how Poles killed Lithuanians, defending their ethnic lands, their own villages, if you were interested
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"ethnic" lands mostly inhabited by Poles
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http://www.punskas.pl/parapija/beznyko/index.htm This is how Poles killed Lithuanians, defending their ethnic lands, their own villages, if you were interested
So you want to compare a dozen Lithuanian soldiers (died in 1920) to ten of thousands civillians ? Tell me how many civillians were killed. Women, children....

Or better let's stop this debate. I have more interesting things to do, than arguing about such topics.
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Old September 10th, 2012, 03:14 PM   #220
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Yes, fight. For 17 days. Poland - The Great and Strong.
Actually from 1.09.1939 to 08.05.1945

After Poland had been overrun, a government-in-exile (headquartered in Britain), armed forces, and an intelligence service were established outside of Poland. These organizations contributed to the Allied effort throughout the war. The Polish Army was recreated in the West, as well as in the East (after German invasion of the Soviet Union).

Poles provided crucial help to the Allies throughout the war, fighting on land, on the seas and in the air.

Notable was the service of the Polish Air Force, not only in the Allied victory in the Battle of Britain but also the subsequent war in the air. Polish ground troops were present in the North Africa Campaign (siege of Tobruk); the Italian campaign (including the capture of the monastery hill at the Battle of Monte Cassino); and in battles following the invasion of France (the battle of the Falaise pocket; and an airborne brigade parachute drop during Operation Market Garden) + Battle of Berlin and many others.

Some Polish contributions were less visible, and most notably included the prewar and wartime decyphering of German Enigma machine codes by cryptologists Marian Rejewski and his colleagues. The Polish intelligence network also proved to be of much value to the Allied intelligence.

etc.
So don't make a fool of yourself ...

Polish contribution to World War II
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