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Old November 1st, 2012, 05:11 AM   #281
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When we talking about Klaipėdos kraštas/Memelland it means that this area is also Lithuania Minor, ethnic lands of Lithuanians.

Pagėgiai/Pogegen. Lithuania

Centre. Building built in interwar area, when this area was part of Lithuania.

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Pagėgiai Lutheran church

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Minge fishermans village. Lithuania

Village "street" is Minija river

Road to village, view same as old times

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Old November 1st, 2012, 05:20 AM   #282
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Чернышевское/Eydkhunen. Kaliningrad district.
Eitkūnai in Lithuanian


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Old November 2nd, 2012, 03:08 AM   #283
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Šilutė/Šilokarčiama/Heydekrug. Lithuania

Centre of Heydekrug. Push on picture and You will see panorama view of this place

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Old November 5th, 2012, 09:15 PM   #284
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Malbork/Marienburg.Poland

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Old November 5th, 2012, 09:31 PM   #285
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Castle in 1945


More info: http://www.gdansk-life.com/poland/malbork-castle

It's one of the most impressive and expensive post-war reconstruction projects in Poland...but still unfinished: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=160, http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=191 or http://www.zamek.malbork.pl/uploaded.../kosciol1b.jpg

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Old November 13th, 2012, 01:21 PM   #286
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- I agree, would be great if everyone kept the politics out of SSC. More photos of beautiful East Prussia:

Danzig



Trolololo nice troll If Gdańsk is German/Prussian Kiev is Polish
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Old November 13th, 2012, 01:28 PM   #287
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Trolololo nice troll If Gdańsk is German/Prussian Kiev is Polish
It is not equal, beacause always Danzig was ethnicaly German city. Danzig was not part of Germany/Prussia, but it is not about German population, Poles was small minority here. It was from midleages till WWII.
Kiev is other example.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 05:58 PM   #288
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But the problem is that Danzig was in Prussia, but not in East Prussia
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Old November 13th, 2012, 06:24 PM   #289
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But the problem is that Danzig was in Prussia, but not in East Prussia
And between 1920-1939 was a semi-autonomous city-state which was represented abroad by Poland and was in a customs union with it.

BTW, parts of Danzig/Gdansk that you have presented in this thread were rebuilt from scratch by Poles.

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Old November 13th, 2012, 09:18 PM   #290
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(...) beacause always Danzig was ethnicaly German city.
O rly?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gda%C5%...he_Middle_Ages

...plus some bonus maps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:We...th-10th_c..png , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Polska_992_-_1025.png
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And map of Poland during the Boleslaw III Wrymouth reign (1102-1138): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...102_-_1138.png
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It is not equal, beacause always Danzig was ethnicaly German city.
Gdańsk had as Polish origins, as Vilnius had Lithuanian.

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Danzig was not part of Germany/Prussia, but it is not about German population, Poles was small minority here. It was from midleages till WWII.
You're always so deeply infuriated when someone mentions that until WWII, Lithuanians were a small minority in Vilnius.

Take my advice and try not to be so overtly hypocritical.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 04:52 PM   #293
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And map of Poland during the Boleslaw III Wrymouth reign (1102-1138): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...102_-_1138.png
According, according, no one map don't show poles population in Danzig.
I could say same about East Prussia Northern Part which in 1240-1250 was part of Lithuania, according your thinking Konigsberg was full of Prussians or Lithuanians
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Old November 14th, 2012, 05:07 PM   #294
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According, according, no one map don't show poles population in Danzig.
I could say same about East Prussia Northern Part which in 1240-1250 was part of Lithuania, according your thinking Konigsberg was full of Prussians or Lithuanians
In the 1930s Polish population in Gdansk/Danzig rose to around 11-13% (also, over 34% of population in Gdansk/Danzig was Catholic). Any official statistics from Vilnius? How many Lithuanians were living in the city of Vilnius before WW2?

Polish rights declared by Treaty of Versailles

- the Free City was represented abroad by Poland (not Germany/Prussia)
- Gdansk/Danzig was in a customs union with Poland
- the railway line in the city was administered by Poland, as were all rail lines in the territory of the Free City
- the Westerplatte peninsula (until then a city beach) was given to Poland to build up an ammunition dump and a military post within the city's harbor
- there was also a separate Polish post office established, besides the existing municipal one
- the official language was German, although the usage of Polish was guaranteed by law

During the war city was completely destroyed (officially, World War II had laid 90% of the downtown districts in ruins) and later, rebuilt by Poles. As I wrote before, "parts of Danzig/Gdansk that you have presented in this thread were rebuilt from scratch by Poles".

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In the 1930s Polish population in Gdansk/Danzig rose to around 11-13% (also, over 34% of population in Gdansk/Danzig was Catholic).
Rather 10, than 13, and not in Gdansk within administrative border, but in Free City of Danzig. FCD consisted of Gdańsk proper (Danzig), Sopot (Zoppot), Pruszcz Gdański (Praust), lots of villages and hell of terrain on the right bank of Vistula river - the area called Żuławy (Werder). The number of Poles in Gdansk proper was probably around 5%, although people of Polish/Kashubian/mixed origins were more numerous.

Still, it doesn't change the fact, that Gdansk is not, and never was, part of Prusy Wschodnie (Ostpreussen). So the pictures of Gdansk are misleading, as well as the whole discussion. If we talk about Gdansk in this thread, we can talk as well about Strasbourg, London or Rio de Janeiro
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The number of Poles in Gdansk proper was probably around 5%, although people of Polish/Kashubian/mixed origins were more numerous.
"Henryk Stepniak estimates the number of Poles in the city was about 30-36 thousand people" (source: wikipedia). It means more than 10% of Poles...

But yes, it was a semi-autonomous city that was inhabited by German-speaking majority.

And before partitions, within territories gained by Prussia there were around 2,014,269 Polish people (43,2%): http://www.studiagdanskie.diecezja.gda.pl/pdf/sg_ii.pdf

Read more: Germanisation, Prussian Settlement Commission, Stutthof concentration camp, Mass murders in Piasnica, Expulsion 1939-1943.

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"Henryk Stepniak estimates the number of Poles in the city was about 30-36 thousand people" (source: wikipedia). It means more than 10% of Poles...
We can discuss it perhaps in some other thread
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It is not equal, beacause always Danzig was ethnicaly German city. Danzig was not part of Germany/Prussia, but it is not about German population, Poles was small minority here. It was from midleages till WWII.
Kiev is other example.
Oh and this is interesting, have you any statistics which confirm it? Or you just said this... because ?
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Oh and this is interesting, have you any statistics which confirm it? Or you just said this... because ?
It's the same proof why Wilno was always ethnically lithuanian, for him, i guess ;-)
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Frauenburg/Frombork. Poland


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