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Old November 19th, 2012, 03:27 AM   #301
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It's the same proof why Wilno was always ethnically lithuanian, for him, i guess ;-)
It is not thread about Vilnius. By the way nobody says that Vilnius always was ethnically Lithuanian. Nobody in Lithuania says that Grand Duchy of Lithuania was state of only Lithuanians. Sadness that Poles always see their own country and history like it was during pre-war or people republic of Poland times. Fact is that this city was capital of Grand Duchy of Lithuania, with unique tolerance traditions between all nations who lived in this city during all times. . till 1920 when came army of nationalistic Poland who also offhandedly went to places where lived only Lithuanians. And now guys want to show that this Poland army "liberated" areas of Lithuania.

Danzig was always ethnically German city because this city created and built by merchants who often was Germans. I can't understand how people don't what to look in clear history without any sensitive things.
You always, as I see,there, in other threads try to humiliate other nations and their attitudes. Undeniable fact is that Poland was always created as a state and had a lot of influances from other states and nations. Let's continue...
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Old November 19th, 2012, 11:17 AM   #302
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Danzig was always ethnically German city because this city created and built by merchants who often was Germans. I can't understand how people don't what to look in clear history without any sensitive things.
You always, as I see,there, in other threads try to humiliate other nations and their attitudes. Undeniable fact is that Poland was always created as a state and had a lot of influances from other states and nations. Let's continue...
As we already told you few times, Gdansk was founded by Poles (actually by West Slavic, Polish ethnic group called Kashubians, the city's name originates from the Kashubian/Polish name of the Gdania River, now Motlawa River or in German, Mottlau), and not the German-speaking settlers. The city was inhabited by German-speaking (not Germans, because country called Germany didn't exist at that time) majority since the 14th century onwards. BTW, German-speaking people between the 15-18th century in Gdansk/Danzig (which was called Gedanen/Dancz) have seen themselves as citizens of the Polish world (Hevelius, like the others, considered himself - "civis Orbis Poloniae", many inhabitants have been polonised and for example were changing their names to the Polish version like the Dutch-man Tylman van Gameren to Tylman Gamerski, von Weiher to Wejher, von Baysen to Bazenski). That's why Poles felt so great sentiment to the city (one of the major Royal Polish cities before partitions) after the WW1 and that's why the Treaty of Versailles gave so many privileges in the Free City of Danzig/Gdansk (which of course was not part of the Prussia/Germany, but was a semi-autonomous state represented abroad by Poland) to the Poles.

Regarding the Frombork and Frombork Cathedral which was heavily (70%) damaged in World War II. It was rebuilt by Polish Boy Scouts in 1966-1973, in time for the 500th anniversary of Copernicus' birth. It's a beautiful reconstruction...However interiors, like in the Malbork Castle, are rather in a poor state and weren't all reconstructed (due to the insufficient funds).

PS. Copernicus' remains have been found interred beneath the altar of Frombork Cathedral in 2005.

The tomb of Copernicus in the Roman Catholic Cathedral in Frombork...


More info: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...467-years.html and http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9913250/.../#.UKo4DIbLLng
More photos: http://fakty.interia.pl/galerie/fakt...duze,1268153,2

PS2. Just for you Depeched, German language map in 1894 created by F.A.Brockhaus in Leipzig (after over 100 years of forced germanisation and deportations of Polish population, settling 300,000 German-speaking colonists during the reign of Frederick the Great and another 150,000 invited by Prussian Settlement Commission). Probably map is showing slightly larger area where people spoke German, because it was prepared in Germany: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Mundarten.jpg
Do you have any map of languages on territories of Lithuania from the 19th (or beginning of the 20th) century?

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Old November 19th, 2012, 12:20 PM   #303
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It is not thread about Vilnius.
Neither is it about Gdańsk, that never was part of Ostpreussen. You started this off-topic discusion by (falsely) claiming that Gdańsk was "always" an "ethnically German city". Your purpose is always the same: to troll threads about Poland's history. Regrettably, some Polish forumers still let themselves get provoked, the result are thread-spoiling discussions like this one.

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Sadness that Poles always see their own country and history like it was during pre-war or people republic of Poland times.
You know a lot about us Poles, don't you? Seems your life mission is to judge us. Don't you have any other purpose in life?


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Fact is that this city was capital of Grand Duchy of Lithuania, with unique tolerance traditions between all nations who lived in this city during all times. . till 1920 when came army of nationalistic Poland who also offhandedly went to places where lived only Lithuanians. And now guys want to show that this Poland army "liberated" areas of Lithuania.
I thought you have said only minutes before that this is not a thread about Vilnius? Aren't you yet discouraged by the deleting of your successive Polonophobic rants? Want more of that?

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Danzig was always ethnically German city because this city created and built by merchants who often was Germans. I can't understand how people don't what to look in clear history without any sensitive things.
Again, and again and again... Why don't you just dedicate a part of the time to studying history?

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You always, as I see,there, in other threads try to humiliate other nations and their attitudes. Undeniable fact is that Poland was always created as a state and had a lot of influances from other states and nations. Let's continue...
Now you're giving us lessons of morality? You? Look at yourself. Just continue your off-topic propaganda, and you'll be again deleted.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 09:09 PM   #304
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And map of Poland during the Boleslaw III Wrymouth reign (1102-1138): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...102_-_1138.png
What Poland?

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What Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania, Moldova, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro, etc.?

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What Poland?

WHY people do actually upload any garbage WITHOUT reading some scientific book?
Since when that map was rendered about 900 years ago? The Austro-Hungarian Empire did NOT exist at that time, wikipedia is not always a good source so go back to your library and get some books.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 03:04 AM   #307
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As we already told you few times, Gdansk was founded by Poles (actually by West Slavic, Polish ethnic group called Kashubians, the city's name originates from the Kashubian/Polish name of the Gdania River, now Motlawa River or in German, Mottlau), and not the German-speaking settlers.
Than..According to your thinking let's speak a little bit about simmilar city Konigsberg. Konigsberg was founded by Old-Prussians (Actualy group of Western Balts. First city name was Tvankste which originate from Balts word "tvenkinys" which mean pond. Through Tvanksta flowed Prieglius which Germans pronounce Pregel river(also Balts hidronym). BTW Kashubians are not Polish ethnic group but nation which is formed from Western Slavs, Germans and Balts.

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The city was inhabited by German-speaking (not Germans, because country called Germany didn't exist at that time) majority since the 14th century onwards.
It is same with Konigsberg. Tvankste was destroyed and replaced with a new name known as Conigsberg.

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BTW, German-speaking people between the 15-18th century in Gdansk/Danzig (which was called Gedanen/Dancz) have seen themselves as citizens of the Polish world (Hevelius, like the others, considered himself - "civis Orbis Poloniae", many inhabitants have been polonised and for example were changing their names to the Polish version like the Dutch-man Tylman van Gameren to Tylman Gamerski, von Weiher to Wejher, von Baysen to Bazenski).
It is other example, polonisation during reign of Poland in different times I think were always, also now. More about Konigsberg: This city was one of important Lithuanian literature, culture and religious center. Till end of XVI c. part of Prussians-Lithuanians in city were about 20%. Lithuanians Abraomas Kulvietis, Stanislovas Rapalionis were one of the founders of the University of Konigsberg, and first professors. Martynas Mažvydas in this city published first book in Lithuanian language. From 1531 in oldtown church and Steidam churches were conducted mass in Lithuanian language. In XIX c. – XX c. Lithuanians had also newspepers. In this city lived important persons for Lithuania as: Jonas Bretkūnas, by the way Liudvikas Rėza 1799-1816 was also Rector of the University of Königsberg, Danielius Kleinas and others. Lithuanians have a lot sentiments about this city, but what is important these cities (Konigsberg, Danzig) were in huge German influence all time.


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That's why Poles felt so great sentiment to the city (one of the major Royal Polish cities before partitions) after the WW1 and that's why the Treaty of Versailles gave so many privileges in the Free City of Danzig/Gdansk (which of course was not part of the Prussia/Germany, but was a semi-autonomous state represented abroad by Poland) to the Poles.
Firstly, creation of Danzig Free city was according to idea to weaken Germany.
It was a same with Memel/Klaipėda port city. Lithuanians also had a lot of sentiments for Tilsit/Tilžė, Ragnit/Ragainė, but main idea was take away from Germany important ports. When Germany lost war, everyone tried somehow to take from this country more lands and areas. Poland gave a lot of gifts from Europe because Europe lost Russian Empire wich was huge power against Germany, after revolution in Russia, situation changed, than was created other large state against German power, it was Poland.

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Regarding the Frombork and Frombork Cathedral which was heavily (70%) damaged in World War II. It was rebuilt by Polish Boy Scouts in 1966-1973, in time for the 500th anniversary of Copernicus' birth. It's a beautiful reconstruction...However interiors, like in the Malbork Castle, are rather in a poor state and weren't all reconstructed (due to the insufficient funds).
I think we are all happy that these places were rebuilt or reconstrated. And thanks for Poland for it.

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PS. Copernicus' remains have been found interred beneath the altar of Frombork Cathedral in 2005. The tomb of Copernicus in the Roman Catholic Cathedral in Frombork...
I am happy for Copernicus. Nobody want to demonstrate that in East Prussia didn‘t live Poles.
East Prussia is also part of Poland culture.


What about ethnographical maps :

1847 - http://i45.************/2ppm0k3.jpg
XIX c. this one very intresting, made by Poles: http://u7326.direct.atpic.com/42055/0/2148471/0.jpg

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You know a lot about us Poles, don't you? Seems your life mission is to judge us. Don't you have any other purpose in life?
Believe me, I know more about Poland that you can imagine. You are really nice people till when we start to talk about history.

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Again, and again and again... Why don't you just dedicate a part of the time to studying history?
Thanks for attention. I am studying history in Vilnius University

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Now you're giving us lessons of morality? You? Look at yourself. Just continue your off-topic propaganda, and you'll be again deleted.
As I remember you always teach Lithuanians how they should talk, think and more.

In conclusion
We shouldn‘t talk about Danzig/Gdansk in this thread anymore, because this city was not part of former East Prussia. I decided to add jus a photos whit some info and just ignore some points in this thread and in others which representing desire – „it is mine,not yours“. It is last my dispute.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 03:21 AM   #308
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In south of Olstyn/Allenstein in Olsztynek/Hohenstein. Poland town exist nice Skansen Museum. Etnographical Open-air museum which is most dedicated for areas of former East Prussia. Some photos from my travel.

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[IMG]http://www.************/forumas/picture.php?albumid=1098&pictureid=32765[/IMG]
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Old November 21st, 2012, 03:25 AM   #309
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[IMG]http://www.************/forumas/picture.php?albumid=1098&pictureid=32766[/IMG]

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Old November 21st, 2012, 03:30 AM   #310
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[IMG]http://www.************/forumas/picture.php?albumid=1098&pictureid=32778[/IMG]

[IMG]http://www.************/forumas/picture.php?albumid=1098&pictureid=32779[/IMG]

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[IMG]http://www.************/forumas/picture.php?albumid=1098&pictureid=32784[/IMG]

My fault that I don't remember other real areas of houses, but this one is from Minor Lithuania, simmilar to Samogitian houses

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[IMG]http://www.************/forumas/picture.php?albumid=1098&pictureid=32791[/IMG]

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[IMG]http://www.************/forumas/picture.php?albumid=1098&pictureid=32801[/IMG]

That's all for this time.
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BTW Kashubians are not Polish ethnic group but nation which is formed from Western Slavs, Germans and Balts.
Your narrow-minded "purely" ethnical approach does not let you admit that many nations (especially those more numerous than e.g. Lithuania) may have ethnical/linguistic groups that differ from the majority in various ways, yet they still are integral parts of that nation. Go and tell our current Primer Minister (Donald Tusk) that as a Kashubian, he is not a Pole at all. Kashubians are ALSO Poles, they are BOTH, certainly the overwhelming majority of them who consider themselves as such.

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It is other example, polonisation during reign of Poland in different times
It's symptomatic: In order to take Poland away its national rights, you keep talking about Polonisation. But I hardly remember you ever mentioning Germanisation or Lithuanisation (that are also a reality). Just another evidence of your anti-Polish bias.

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Firstly, creation of Danzig Free city was according to idea to weaken Germany.
It was a same with Memel/Klaipėda port city. Lithuanians also had a lot of sentiments for Tilsit/Tilžė, Ragnit/Ragainė, but main idea was take away from Germany important ports. When Germany lost war, everyone tried somehow to take from this country more lands and areas. Poland gave a lot of gifts from Europe because Europe lost Russian Empire wich was huge power against Germany, after revolution in Russia, situation changed, than was created other large state against German power, it was Poland.
Let me remind you, that in 1939 Lithuania received Wilno/Vilnius as a gift from Stalin, in the aftermath of the brutal Nazi/Soviet aggression against Poland.

Historically, someone is taken something, someone is given something... discussion on this will get us nowhere.

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Believe me, I know more about Poland that you can imagine. You are really nice people till when we start to talk about history.
You THINK you know a lot about us, but actually you know little more than a few distorted historical facts that are representative of the nationalistic Lithuanian viewpoint, plus a handful of stereotypes about Poles.

Btw, I have met Lithuanians that were really nice people till when we started to talk about history. So what? I'm not using this experience to judge your nation.

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BTW Kashubians are not Polish ethnic group but nation which is formed from Western Slavs, Germans and Balts.
Kashubians are a West Slavic ethnic group (not Germanic or Baltic) and their language is close related to the Polish. The other ethnic group from Pomerania (just for you ) is Kociewiacy (my girlfriend's family are Kociewiacy, they are Polish, no doubt about it, however they have germanised surname and they like to say "yo" a lot ).

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It's more like it. Depeched, can you please provide me with the source of this map? I'm just slightly confused about the Lithuanian part (polish name of the city Wilno and Lithuanian-speaking majority?).

http://i45.************/2ppm0k3.jpg

If the map was prepared in 1847 (75 years after partitions of Poland), it means that 300,000 nationalistic, polonophobic, German-speaking colonists have been already settled in the eastern parts of Prussia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germani...ion_of_Germany) and forced germanisation process was already implemented. Term "Polaken" on the map is very offensive towards Poles, so I'm almost certainly sure that German-speaking area (maybe Lithuanian and Russian as well) is again to some degree extended One more question, what about area below Wilno like Nowogrodek, Grodno, Slonim, etc.? Based on the map above, these territories were inhabited by Russian-speaking population?

PS. We're getting there. Soon everything will be clear Now you should understand why Poles are offended when somebody is talking about always German or exclusively German West/East Prussia The other thing is that Poles really don't mind if the large population of Royal/Polish Prussia or Ducal Prussia was German-speaking before partitions of Poland, because people living over there were loyal to the Polish Crown (like for example Johannes Hevelius or Nicolaus Copernicus), unlike people who were settled there in the 19-20th century.

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Ragnit/Neman. Kaliningrad district
In Lithuanian: Ragainė
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Castle was built in 1398-1408. 58,91 m x 58,22 m. Castle is situated in the very centre of Neman City. It was built by the Teutonic Knights in 1397-1409. Construction works were supervised by the Master of the Teutonic Order Konrad Fellenstein of Marienburg. A stone-and-brick fortress was raised, surrounded with a moat and an embankment, which formed an enclosed square. The size of the inner ward was about 1,000 square meters. The main entrance (gate), decorated with a granite doorframe with portcullis, was located in the west wing. Some time later, a watchtower, about 25 meters high, was erected near the castle. In November 1678, Ragnit Castle was seized by the Swedish troops. Once the troops withdrew, the castle underwent the necessary repairs. In the 19th century, the fortress lost its defensive character. It was reconstructed to function as a seat of a court and a prison. Only the ruins of the castle have remained to this day.
http://www.autc.lt/Public/HeritageOb...px?id=640&oe=2


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Castle in 1957


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Sadness thing is that castle was blown up during soviet times
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Why Russians don´t restore all that historical buildings? They are so poor in Kaliningrad or they ignore their german heritage? It´s awful.
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Why Russians don´t restore all that historical buildings? They are so poor in Kaliningrad or they ignore their german heritage? It´s awful.
In contrast to Poles, who have always been present in southern areas of East Prussia and had various connections to that land, until WW2 the Russians never had anything to do with what is now the Kaliningrad Oblast. Therefore, perhaps they don't feel any imperative to restore the German heritage there.

Another possible reason of their lack of enthusiasm in this regard, might have been the memory of what Germans had done with Russian heritage wherever they set foot, for example in such cities like Volgograd (former Stalingrad), Voronezh, Smolensk, Orel, Belgorod, ... etc., ... etc., ...
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My fault that I don't remember other real areas of houses, but this one is from Minor Lithuania, simmilar to Samogitian houses

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Houses like these were also built by Warmiaks and Masurians (you should be able to find many of them in the Warmian-Masurian_Voivodeship)...




There are numerous examples of similar houses in the Masovian Voivodeship built by Masovians. Please click on the following link: http://krabikowie.blogspot.co.uk/201...j-chaty-i.html


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Stallupönen,Ebenrode/Nesterov. Kaliningrad district
City name has Lithuanian origin - Stalupėnai, city located near Lithuania border/
Here lived important persons for Lithuanians as: Kristijonas Donelaitis, Jurgis Zauerveinas, Frydrichas Karolis Mažeika, Klausas Tėvelaitis.

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In the Middle Ages, the area in Old Prussia had been settled by the Nadruvian tribe of the Baltic Prussians. It was conquered by the Teutonic Knights about 1276 and incorporated into the State of the Teutonic Order. From the 15th century onwards, the Knights largely resettled the lands with Samogitian and Lithuanian colonists.

The settlement itself was first mentioned as Stallupoenen, Stallupönen, in 1539, named after a nearby river called Stalupė in Lithuanian. At that time, with the secularization of the Order's Prussian lands in 1525, Stallupönen had already become part of the Duchy of Prussia, a Polish fief which in 1618 was inherited by the Hohenzollern margraves of Brandenburg. Stallupönen then belonged to Brandenburg-Prussia and in 1701 became part of the Kingdom of Prussia in 1701, King Frederick William I granted it town privileges in 1722. From 1773 it was administered in the Province of East Prussia beginning in 1773 and during the Prussian-led unification of Germany, Stallupönen became part of the German Empire in 1871.
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Because of the Lithuanian minority living there, the Republic of Lithuania tried unsuccessfully to obtain the town from Germany after World War I. Because "Stallupönen" sounded too "un-German", the Nazi regime renamed the town Ebenrode in 1938.

The town was overrun by the Soviet Red Army during World War II. The region was transferred from Germany to the Russian SFSR in 1945 and made a part of Kaliningrad Oblast.

The town, whose German inhabitants largely evacuated or were expelled westward, was renamed Nesterov after Sergey Nesterov, a Soviet war hero who was killed in the vicinity.
For Germans here lived important persons as: Werner Gitt ,Felix Steiner ,Walther Funk ,Oscar Werwat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nesterov

Centre of Ebenrode in 1938


http://www.bildarchiv-ostpreussen.de...Luftbild_6.jpg

I have found nice pics in panoramio.com by ebenrode.info













One of a lot monuments for Red Army








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