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Old March 19th, 2013, 07:36 PM   #541
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Here, Napoleon met his mistress Maria Walewska, with whom he lived in the palace. The Hollywood movie Conquest was filmed here in 1937 with Greta Garbo and Charles Boyer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finckenstein_Palace
A reproduction of the palace was built on the MGM studio lot in California. It was extremely unusual for films to be made on location at that time - and it would have meant traveling to Nazi Germany in 1937. That would not happen.

It was certainly a very beautiful palace. The ruins are very sad and moving.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 07:44 PM   #542
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Rediculous.
At first, crimes that follow crimes are still crimes. Kresy itself was annexed 1921 after a war against Russia. And not to forget Operation Vistula in 1947.

And when you start to accumulate lives with money or materials. Yes, we payed. A lot.
1/4 of the country lost, all big cities destroyed, 12-14 Million displaced germans, 2 Million of them the dead or missed, 45 years of occupation an seperation, Billions of compensation and reperation payments and countless virtu that are still laying in russian depots.
We started, we lost, we payed.
Well said, Saxonia.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 07:54 PM   #543
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It wasn't Polish-Russian war, but Polish-Soviet war. It was more about defending lands against the Soviet politics (Communism) and Soviet influence in Europe. Of course, you know that Soviets started the conflict and not only Poles participated in that war (Polish Army had Lithuanian-Belarusian, Ukrainian and Latvian divisions formed from volunteers). At that time, Poland helped Latvia to gain independence (see Battle of Daugavpils).

Btw, Soviet (not only Russian) casualties during the war in 1919-1921 are estimated at 60,000 (no civilians have been killed!).

"Unfortunately we do not learn such important things at school here."
German schools are really great. Only your history classes are steeped in anti-Polish sentiment.
Firstly, heritage which was just 19-20 years in Poland republic, not became just Polish heritage, especially when we talking about ,as you say "kresy" areas. East Prussia, as political entity existed more than 600 years.

Another thing that Poland "really helped" for Lithuania, thanks God that we managed to stop you, during interwar period Poland was main, dangerous power not only for Lithuania, but also for East Prussia in first years after WWI.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 08:55 PM   #544
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Were the former Polish owners of the estates and large homes in Kresy ever compensated for their property lost in WW1 and WW2?

Were families of 7,200,000 Russian civilians and over 2,500,000 ethnic Polish civilians (not including Polish Jews) killed by Germans during the war compensated as well?

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegst...tkrieges#Polen

What compensation did Germany pay to Russians and Poles for looted and destroyed artworks during WW2? For destroyed cities, such as Warsaw or Volgograd?

Last but not least, who won WW1 and WW2?
Poland and Russia still occupy a large part of Germany to this day.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 09:14 PM   #545
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Rediculous.
At first, crimes that follow crimes are still crimes.
What a a perfect excuse for german mass murders.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 09:20 PM   #546
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Were families of 7,200,000 Russian civilians and over 2,500,000 ethnic Polish civilians (not including Polish Jews) killed by Germans during the war compensated as well?
You forgot 7 000 000 of other USSR nationalities. It's sickening that children of german genocidal maniacs now cry here about their ruined castles after what their ancestors have done.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 09:36 PM   #547
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Poland and Russia still occupy a large part of Germany to this day.
Judging from your avatar Poland, Russia, Lithuania, Czech Republic, Austria, Belgium, Netherlands, France and Denmark still occupy a large part of Germany to this day.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 09:41 PM   #548
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Poland and Russia still occupy a large part of Germany to this day.
I don't think so. Most of these lands were Polish (Wrocław, Poznań, Gdańsk) until 1330s. We just got them back (somehow unwillingly - that was not our call). But lost for example Lwów (which wasn't Polish in the beginnig).
Anyway I think you should be at least brigged for this provocative avatar and bull*it you are writing here.
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It was more about defending lands against the Soviet politics (Communism) and Soviet influence in Europe.
That's what you've been told? I'm afraid someone misled you, sir.
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Soviets started the conflict...
This statement right here is as true as the one that the Polish started the WW2 by attacking a German radio station in Gleiwitz.
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...and not only Poles participated in that war (Polish Army had Lithuanian-Belarusian, Ukrainian and Latvian divisions formed from volunteers).
...and I bet they begged on their knees for being incorporated into the Polish state.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 09:42 PM   #550
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Judging from your avatar Poland, Russia, Lithuania, Czech Republic, Austria, Belgium, Netherlands, France and Denmark still occupy a large part of Germany to this day.
You mean highlighting Germanic lands in a map?

I'm not even German.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 09:44 PM   #551
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You are... Austrian?
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Old March 19th, 2013, 11:32 PM   #552
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What a a perfect excuse for german mass murders.
Its a fact. "Anders rum wird ein Schuh draus" (sth. like "the Opposite is true") like we say in Germany. Polish, czech, and Russians often take our crimes as an excuse for there ones against germans in the aftermath. But this is just not helpful. I was on a event in Erfurt's New Synagogue on the occasion of the anniversary of "Reichskristallnacht" at 9.11.1938. One Speaker said the only thing which really helps ist to acknowledge the suffering of the other.
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Old March 19th, 2013, 11:50 PM   #553
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Poland and Russia still occupy a large part of Germany to this day.
You are wrong, slavs lost some territory in present east Germany through history

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Silesia, Pommerania, East Prussia

To all of you: how many years from say the year 1000 to 2000 were those areas Gerrman, Polish or Russian? I suppose at least 700 years German.

Yes agree that the Germans started, lost and paid heavily for two lost world wars. Prussia disappeared totally from the map, German cities and Germany paid the price and history is written by the victors.
True is that German cities (except most centres und some suburbs of cities like Hamburg, Hannover, Dresden and Magdeburg) were largely intact in May 1945. True is also that most precious architectural cities (or city araes) were bombed in the first 4 months of 1945 as were most Germans (soldiers and civilians) killed in this single year.
The Germans themselves robbed those heavily damaged cities the only chance to be rebuilt and repaired, by removal of all ruins, removal of many intact buildings and removal of most buildings of their pre war and original decorations after 1945. They nowadays look rather "skinny" and poor. Almost all once important buildings are gone to nowhere.

Even the losses in human lives are until today a deep profound dispute and grossly unclear. Manipulated by the Russians for propaganda: after the war missused to get as high as possible retribution from the Germans, but nowadays much lowered to prove that the Red Army was a highly efficient war machine (even) superior to that of the highly trained, developed and scientific German war machine.

What is the truth? What are pertinent lies? What are beliefs? Convictions?? You may say it.

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Neanthertals in Europe:


The homo sapiens came last
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Present day


Pro-independence parties in Scotland and Catalonia are preparing for referendums in 2014.
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What a a perfect excuse for german mass murders.

You know perfectly well that your statement is false. The original post has nothing to do with your claim which is not even chronologically correct. Reactionary assertions like this show how little much of the world has evolved over the decades.
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Well... The Slavic peoples came last.
This is map after expansions Germans from Germania (Scandinavia and northwest present Germany) on Slavic lands. Romans dont know about Slavs.
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I don't think so. Most of these lands were Polish (Wrocław, Poznań, Gdańsk) until 1330s. We just got them back (somehow unwillingly - that was not our call). .
So, 600 years, approximately 30 generations of entrenched ethnic culture and you think "getting them back" makes sense on that basis? Oh my. Go back 600 years in almost any place on earth to 'give it back' and you won't have any of the states in the western hemisphere, few in the middle east and elsewhere. Making an argument for confiscated lands and property can hardly be advanced by 600 year old events.
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I don't think so. Most of these lands were Polish (Wrocław, Poznań, Gdańsk) until 1330s. We just got them back (somehow unwillingly - that was not our call). .
So, 600 years, approximately 30 generations of entrenched ethnic culture and you think "getting them back" makes sense on that basis? Oh my. Go back 600 years in almost any place on earth to 'give it back' and you won't have any of the states in the western hemisphere, few in the middle east and elsewhere. Making an argument for confiscated lands and property can hardly be advanced by 600 year old events.
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