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Old August 1st, 2013, 03:46 PM   #1181
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Old August 5th, 2013, 06:50 AM   #1182
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Old August 5th, 2013, 06:57 PM   #1183
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Bogatyńskie/Tüngen

is a village in the administrative district of Gmina Orneta, within Lidzbark County, Warmian-Masurian Voivodeship, in northern Poland.

While traditionally Prussian, with the Second Peace of Thorn in 1466 the area became part of the Kingdom of Poland until 1772, 1772-1945 Kingdom of Prussia/Germany.

Recently renovated palace of Stanisław Rutkowski from 1772

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Before renovation in 2009

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Old August 5th, 2013, 07:31 PM   #1184
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Many nice palaces in Poland part of former East Prussia.
Are these palaces private or state-owned?
What money are used in the restoration projects?
Private or of European funds?

It seems Poles are doing better than LT in restoration.
What's ~ the proportion of restored/neglected palaces?
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Old August 5th, 2013, 07:40 PM   #1185
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Project to rebuilt Konigsberg centre

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Old August 6th, 2013, 01:24 PM   #1186
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The Sovjets will never rebuild the city center as in those plans. (It will only remind people that the place belonged to someone else....)
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Old August 6th, 2013, 01:42 PM   #1187
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Many nice palaces in Poland part of former East Prussia.
Are these palaces private or state-owned?
What money are used in the restoration projects?
Private or of European funds?
Various: some of them are private, some belong to ANR (Agencja Nieruchomości Rolnych - Agency of Agricultural Real Estate, which deals and processes with areas acquired from former State Agricultural Entreprises - i.e. sovkhoz and kolkhoz. Usually ANR tries to sell the real estate into private hands with some kinds of guarantees that the palace will be refurbished).

Here is random example of investment offer of ANR. If you have some surplus of money and want to invest, you're welcome

http://www.anr.gov.pl/service-broker...topicId=692233

Some of palaces were used after war as, say, village schools - that's probably the best option, as palaces were not neglected. Not-such-a-best-option is using former palaces as residential buildings for agricultural workers - the houses are kept warm and dry, but are usually devastated inside, many-times-re-modernised, and since they has been privatised, the poor tenants, now owners, can't afford to repair the building.

It is possible to use European funds if one writes up a good project and does something for public good, for example uses the former palace as a hotel or local tourist landmark.
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Old August 7th, 2013, 09:14 AM   #1188
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The Sovjets will never rebuild the city center as in those plans. (It will only remind people that the place belonged to someone else....)
There is no such thing as the Sovjets for a long time. And people are aware enough of the fact that this place belonged to someone else. Even though some posters to this particular thread try to make unclear to whom it did.
But still, this huge restoration project is too unrealistic due to many reasons. No more than a fantasy. I'd like to be wrong though.
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Old August 7th, 2013, 11:37 AM   #1189
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try to make unclear to whom it did.
Warmia
-1242 (inhabited by one of the Old Prussian tribes)
1242-1466 (Teutonic Order)
1466-1772 (Kingdom of Poland)
1772-1871 (Kingdom of Prussia)
1871-1945 (Prussia as part of German state)
1945-now (Poland)
Territory since the 14-15th century was ethnically mixed, inhabited by Polish (Warmiaks) and German-speaking settlers, mostly Catholics.



Masuria
-1261 (inhabited by the Old Prussian tribes)
1261-1525 (Teutonic Order)
1525-1657 (Ducal Prussia, fief of Kingdom of Poland)
1657-1701 (Brandenburg-Prussia)
1701-1871 (Kingdom of Prussia)
1871-1945 (Prussia as part of German state)
1945-now (Poland)
Masuria since the 14-15th century was ethnically mixed, inhabited mostly by Protestant Polish settlers called Masurians, who in the 19th and the beginning of 20th century became Germanised.

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Old August 7th, 2013, 12:37 PM   #1190
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Here is quite interesting list of topographic names from Bartoszyce (Bartenstein) county as of 1939 compared to now. The Bartenstein Kreis was divided after 1945: most of it, including the city of Bartoszyce went to Poland, the northernmost part with the city of Friedland - to the USSR (now Russia).

Source: archives of Unser Bartenstein newspaper. The collumns mean as follows: 1. Municipality (commune, gmina, Gemeinde) as of 1939, 2. Name of locality as of 1939, 3. Number of inhabitants according to census from May 17, 1939, 4. Parish as of 1939, 5. Today's name (rus. - Russian, pol. - Polish), 6. Municipality as of now. Enjoy!
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Old August 7th, 2013, 01:12 PM   #1191
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"Nazwy miejscowe polskie Prus Zachodnich, Wschodnich i Pomorza wraz z przezwiskami niemieckiemi" / "Die Polnischen Ortsnamen der Provinzen Preussen und Pommern und ihre Deutschen Benennungen" (by Wojciech Kętrzyński, published in 1879)

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"Placenames in Masuria were occasionally renamed prior to 1938, and indeed even before the Nazi era. In the district of Lötzen 47 percent of all villages had already been renamed in the Weimar Republic and another 36 percent after 1933. A systematic renaming campaign was prepared after Koch issued the corresponding order on 25 August 1937. Following this order, the Prussian Ministry of Science, Education and People's Education (Ministerium für Wissenschaft, Erziehung und Volksbildung) set up an expert commission led by Mr Harmjanz (the Ministerialrat or ministerial adviser). Members included Mr Meyer (a Slavicist from Königsberg), Mr Ziesemer (a Germanist from Königsberg), Mr Falkenhayn (a lecturer, expert in Lithuanian and Old Prussian names) and Max Hein (the director of the Königsberg state archives and expert in names of the Teutonic Order state). Affected were names of villages, water bodies, forests and cadastral districts. In some counties up to 70% of the placenames had been changed by 16 July 1938."

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Old August 7th, 2013, 01:40 PM   #1192
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Fortunately, in Kreis Bartenstein there was not much renaming under Koch: it's even visible in the link I've provided. Frankly speaking, Bartoszyce were outside proper Masuria - they were too much to the North to attract Polish settlers; they were also colonised quite early (13-14 centuries) and were already packed with people when Masovian colonisation began after 1410.

Btw: that's why this particular area was never contested by Poland (nor by Lithuania).
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Old August 7th, 2013, 06:52 PM   #1193
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Nakomiady/Eichmedien

is a village in the administrative district of Gmina Kętrzyn, within Kętrzyn County, Warmian-Masurian Voivodeship, in northern Poland.

A castle was built by the Teutonic Knight Konrad von Kyburg between 1392 and 1396, this castle was however later destroyed and only the cellar-vault and foundation walls remained.

In 1653 Frederick William I, Elector of Brandenburg awarded the property of Eichmedien and the surrounding villages to Johann von Hoverbeck as a gratification for his role as Prussian ambassador to Warsaw. A palace was built on the remnants of the order's castle.

In 1705 the family decided to re-build the palace with an Italian architect Joseph Piola, known as an admirer of the classic style represented by the famous Andrea Palladio. Piola created a classical palace in the style known as Dutch Baroque.

Ongoing renovation

http://nakomiady.pl/palac/


http://nakomiady.pl/palac/

Before renovation

author: km_nida


author: brother2010
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Saint Joseph church

author: encore55
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Von Redecker chapel

http://nakomiady.pl/palac/


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Road to Nakomiady

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Village

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Village outskirts

http://nakomiady.pl/palac/

Nakomiady Manufacture est. 1704

http://nakomiady.pl/palac/


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* The ceramic/Dutch faience workshop was established at the beginning of the 18th century to supply the manor.
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Klaipėda\Memel. Lithuania

Some photos by Lettered from page (Here there are more):
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Vytautas the Great gymnasium in Klaipėda\Memel. Lithuania
Architect: Herbert Reissmann
Built in 1934


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Old August 11th, 2013, 01:32 AM   #1196
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Anything more regarding those midrises? They look nice
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Klaipeda looks to be a nice place.
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Lithuanian house near Tilsit/Sovetsk


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Wojnowo/Eckertsdorf

is a village in the administrative district of Gmina Ruciane-Nida, within Pisz County, Warmian-Masurian Voivodeship, in northern Poland.

The village was founded by Philipons, refugees from Russia, who were pursued for their religion in the 1830s and emigrated to Prussia.

Orthodox Monastery of the Dormition (1921-1923)

author: Piotr Tysarczyk


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Gate

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Old Believers Monastery (1848)

author: Muggmag

* Last nun died in 2006. In 2007, Wojnowo monastery was converted into a museum.

Old Believers church "molenna" ( 1923–1927)

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* According to 2011 data, in Poland there are only 1006 Old Believers in 4 parishes.

Duś lake/Drusensee

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Village

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author: Robert Wróbel
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author: Robert Wróbel
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