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Old November 17th, 2013, 01:29 PM   #1321
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There are more than 20 epitaphs and tombs of Polish nobility and clergy in Archcathedral Basilica of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary and Saint Andrew in Frombork/Frauenburg, Warmia.

Unfortunately, during the Swedish invasion of Poland nearly all Gothic and Renaissance art works were stolen or destroyed. The interior of that church is now mostly from the 17th and 18th century (luckily the church was largely spared during WW2).
Are there only Polish epitaphs in the cathedral? AFAIK more than half of the bishops were Germans, especially before ~1550 and after ~1750, and most of the people who lived there were Germans too. Didn't such epitaphs survive WW2 or were they destroyed afterwards?


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There are 23 beautiful altars in Archcathedral Basilica of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary and Saint Andrew in Frombork/Frauenburg...
Altar founded by Adam Stanisław Grabowski (project based on one of the altars from Wawel Cathedral in Kraków); altar founded by Jan Stefan Wydźga and Jan Wołowski.
Altar founded by Michał Działyński; altar founded by Fabian Konopacki (renovated by Łukasz Górnicki); altar founded by Andrzej Zagórny
Who founded the other 17 altars?
Either your presentation of Warmia is a bit selective, or most signs of a German presence somehow disappeared after WW2... great pictures though.
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Didn't such epitaphs survive WW2(..)?
During Polish-Swedish (1626-1629) war Swedes have desecrated most of Gothic and Renaissance tombs in the Archcathedral. That is why they are now majorly from 1629+.

The list of epitaphs and tombstones in Archcathedral Basilica of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary and Saint Andrew in Frombork/Frauenburg:
1. Szymon Rudnicki (†1621)
2. Paweł Górnicki (†1632)
3. Stanisław Bużeński (†1684)
4. Mikołaj Wołowski, Jakub Wołowski and Dorota Ciecholewska (17th century)
5. Jan Zbąski (†1697)
6. Mikołaj Szyszkowski (†1643)
7. Adam Grabowski (†1766)
8. Joachim Pastorius Hirdenberg (†1681)
9. Jan Działyński (17th century)
10. Andreas von Hatten (†1841)
11. Krzysztof Szembek (†1740)
12. Andrzej Łysakowski (17th century)
13. Nicolaus Copernicus (†1543, epitaph from 1735)
14. Jan Zachariasz Szolc (†1682)
15. Tomasz Treter (†1610)
16. Adam Konarski (†1683)
17. Wawrzyniec Demuth (17th century)
18. Maximilian Kaller (†1947)
19. Fabian Emmerich (16th century)
20. Johann Timmerman (15th century)
21. Paweł Płotowski (†1547)
22. Adalbert Liechtenhein
23. Henrik Fleming (†1300)
24. Johan von Essen (†1416)
25. Bartholomäus Boreschow (†1426)
26. Stefan Sadorski (†1640)
27. Łukasz Górnicki (†1651)
28. Jan Chrapicki (†1525)

* There's also an underground crypt with more than 100 preserved coffins.

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Who founded the other 17 altars?
Only 2 altars survived the Swedish invasion.

The list of altars in Archcathedral Basilica of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary and Saint Andrew in Frombork/Frauenburg:
1. Gothic polyptych (founded by Nicolaus von Tüngen in 1504)
2. Priest of the Warmia Chapter (founded by Mikołaj Szyszkowski and Wojciech Rudnicki in ~1640)
3. St Michael (founded by Wacław Kobierzycki in ~1640)
4. St Anna (founded by Mikołaj Szyszkowski? in 1639)
5. Our Lady of Sorrows (founded by Mikołaj Szyszkowski? in 1640)
6. Assumption of Mary (founded by Eustachy Nenchen in 1642)
7. St Nicholas (founded by Michał Działyński in 1639)
8. St Martin (founded by Jerzy Marquardt in 1645)
9. St Augustine (founded by Wacław Leszczyński? in the 17th century)
10. St Matthew (founded by Fabian Konopacki before 1619, renovated after Swedish invasion by Łukasz Górnicki)
11. St Rosalia (founded by Mikołaj Szyszkowski in 1640)
12. St Thomas (founded by Euchard Zarnhausen in the 17th century)
13. Holy Cross (founded by Andrzej Zagórny in ~1634)
14. St Simon and Jude the Apostle (founded by Szymon Aleksy Treter in 1694)
15. John the Baptist (founded by Stanisław Bużeński in ~1680)
16. St Bartholomew (founded by Mateusz Montanus in 1632)
17. St Lawrence (founded by Jan Stefan Wydźga and Jan Wołowski in ~1679)
18. St Joseph (founded by Teodor Potocki and Jan Jerzy Kunigk in 1713)
19. Holy Cross (founded by Edward Herrmann? in 1909)
20. St George (founded by Jan Zachariasz Szolc in the 17th century)
21. Our Saviour (founded by Krzysztof Szembek in 1740)
22. Main altar (founded by Adam Stanisław Grabowski in 1750)
23. ?

PS. Choir stalls were founded by Teodor Potocki and Krzysztof Szembek, chapels by Lucas Watzenrode? and Krzysztof Szembek, pipe organs by Michał Stefan Radziejowski.
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Old November 18th, 2013, 03:49 PM   #1323
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AFAIK more than half of the bishops were Germans, especially before ~1550 and after ~1750
Between 1512 and 1795 all Warmian bishops held Polish coat of arms. Before 1512 and after 1795 until WW2 they were mainly German.

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Old November 18th, 2013, 04:36 PM   #1324
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Interesting link with 150-pre WWII images of Konisgberg. Dunno was it posted here or not, but what a heck. Let's enjoy.

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Also, part of heritage.

Trakehner or Trakėnai according to wiki, is a light warmblood breed of horse, originally developed at the East Prussian state stud farm in the town of Trakehnen from which the breed takes its name. <...> Old Prussians and other Baltic people such as the Lithuanians were noted for their hardy horses and cavalry during the early Middle Ages*. During their conquest of Old Prussians in the 13th Century Prussian crusade, the conquering Teutonic Knights named the Old Prussian horse a Schwaikenpferd, a small primitive horse. Beginning in the 14th century, knights used it to breed their military horses, and descendants of the Schwaikenpferd were later used by Masovian and Ostsiedlung farmers for light utility work.
Žemaitukai were Known from the 6–7th centuries, it was used as a war horse by the Lithuanians during the Northern Crusades and is hailed in Lithuania as part of the state's historic heritage.[1] Its origin is uncertain, but it is related to indigenous forest horse breeds and the Konik, a Polish breed, which were both probably descended from the Tarpan. The breed contributed to the foundation of the Trakehner.

* In Lithuania this breed was called Žemaitukai
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Old November 18th, 2013, 05:14 PM   #1325
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Former Protestant church in Stare Juchy/Alt Jucha, Masuria (now sadly converted to Roman Catholic)




Foundation plaque from 1776 (before and after "restoration" at the beginning of the 20th century; original plaque in Polish)


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Old November 18th, 2013, 06:35 PM   #1326
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why is it sad that it was converted to RC, just reflects the demograhic historic changes.I know of an anglican church that was converted to a synagogue near where I work, because that neighbourhood has become mostly Jewish.
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Old November 18th, 2013, 06:54 PM   #1327
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Nearly 500 years of Masurian history is associated with Protestantism and we should respect that. I'm not opposed the construction of new Roman Catholic churches, but I'm against such conversions.
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I guess it's more interesting since we don't have that many Protestant churches in Poland.
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What's going in Kaliningrad area

Allenau/Поречье
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Königsberg / Kaliningrad then & now
An interesting "then & now" photo collection from Königsberg.

It looks to me the old view as if it would be better than today view. I'm afraid...

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Nearly 500 years of Masurian history is associated with Protestantism and we should respect that. I'm not opposed the construction of new Roman Catholic churches, but I'm against such conversions.
Meaning what? Leave the church in desolation until it rots from inside and fall into decay? Or transform it into a barn, like in Soviet Russia?

If 100% Protestants left the village (which is unfortunately the case in so many cases), what's the point in keeping it empty?
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Well, you're probably right. In addition to the post #963, just a few more churches converted quite recently...

Church in Rybno/Ribben, Masuria (Protestant between 1855 and 2009, since then Roman Catholic)


Neo-Gothic church in Gawrzyjałki/Gawrzialken, Masuria (Protestant between 1908 and 1980, since then Roman Catholic)




Church in Nawiady/Aweyden, Masuria (Protestant between ~1525 and 1981, since then Roman Catholic)


Church in Mańki/Manchengut, Masuria (Protestant between 1685 and 1987, since 1991 Roman Catholic)




Neo-Gothic church in Ukta/Alt Ukta, Masuria (Protestant between 1864 and 1981, since then Roman Catholic)




Church in Użranki/Uszranken, Masuria (Protestant between 1895 and 1983, since then Roman Catholic)




Church in Okartowo/Eckersberg, Masuria (Protestant between ~1525 and 1981, since then Roman Catholic)




Church in Szymany/Gross Schiemanen, Masuria (Protestant between 1938 and 1980, since then Roman Catholic)


Church in Kociołek Szlachecki/Adlig Kessel, Masuria (Protestant between 1905 and 1978, since then Roman Catholic)




Church in Spychowo/Puppen, Masuria (Protestant between 1903 and 1979, since then Roman Catholic)






In 1952, the Protestant Masurian Diocese consisted of 80 parishes with well over 100 churches. Today, it has only 15 parishes with about 50 churches and chapels.
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New developments in Ostróda/Osterode (photos from that city also in the post #1294)








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Königsberg / Kaliningrad then & now

An interesting "then & now" photo collection from Königsberg.

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Barczewo/Wartenburg, Warmia (also in the post #1074)






Warmian bishops, Piotr Tylicki and Andrzej Batory have been buried in St Andrew the Apostle church in Barczewo/Wartenburg

* The church was Roman Catholic between the 14th century and 1810, after WW2 it was returned to Roman Catholics.

The remains of the Bishops' Castle (few years after acquisition of the castle by Prussians in the late 18th century largely destroyed by fire, adapted for Evangelical school in 1826)


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Town Hall in Dobre Miasto/Guttstadt, Warmia (built in 1731, destroyed during WW2)

* Hope it will be rebuilt. Sorry for the poor quality of the photo.

Roman Catholic Minor Basilica








Interior:
- Main altar (founded by Adam Stanisław Grabowski in 1743)
- Relics of St Innocent (brought to the church by Jerzy Mocki in 1732)
- Epitaph of Warmian bishop Andrzej Chryzostom Załuski (†1711)
- St Mary's altar from ~1430
- Triptych from ~1500
- St Sebastian's altar from 1642
- Holy Trinity's altar from the 17th century
- Pulpit from 1693

Unfortunately, during the process of Neo-Gothisation in the late 19th century Minor Basilica in Dobre Miasto/Guttstadt lost most of its Baroque interior.
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Roman Catholic church in Bażyny/Baysen, Warmia

* The Bażeński noble family, whose members are descendants of Heinrich Fleming's (Warmian bishop between 1278 and 1300) brother, name derived from name of that town. The last members of the Bażeński noble family live in Gniezno (Poland) today.

The church was renovated by Jakub Bartsch (Polish Wiewiórka coat of arms, below) in 1611

* One of the last members of the Bartsch noble family was Jan Henryk Bartsch (Royal lieutenant colonel in 1707; Polish Crown army major general in 1711).

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Former Protestant church in Węgorzewo/Angerburg, Masuria...


Coat of arms of Friedrich von Dohna and Andreas von Kreytzen


Coat of arms of Frederick II at the top of the tower


Interior:
- The oldest pipe organs in the region (1647)
- Tombstone of Hans Georg von Auer (1659)
- Main altar (1652)

Tombstones from former Protestant churches in Kętrzyn/Rastenburg and Szestno/Seehesten, Masuria...

Christoph Schenk von Tautenburg (†1597) and Fabian von Lehndorff (†1650)
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Königsberg / Kaliningrad then & now

The old and the new: As if it were complete strangers.
Königsberg is no more what it was

An interesting "then & now" photo collection from Königsberg.

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Old November 22nd, 2013, 01:37 PM   #1340
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Ełk/Lyck (also in the post #1308), Masuria...

Where old meets new


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New houses in Braniewo/Braunsberg, Warmia

* Also in the post #770, #962, #1006, #1010 and #1082

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