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Old December 2nd, 2013, 09:54 PM   #1361
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Oh man... This has no name... There is no project to rebuild any of this beauties?
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Old December 4th, 2013, 06:43 PM   #1362
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Das Königsberger Schloss / The Königsberg Castle

The Königsberg Castle (German: Königsberger Schloss) was a castle in Königsberg, and was one of the symbolic landmarks of the East Prussian capital Königsberg.

Following the bombing of Königsberg by the Royal Air Force in the Second World War in 1944, the castle completely burnt down.
However, the thick walls were able to withstand both the aerial bombing and Soviet artillery, as well as urban fighting in April 1945, allowing the ruins of the castle to stay standing.
In 1968 did Soviet party leader Leonid Brezhnev decide to demolish the remains of the ‘hornet’s nest of militarism and fascism’.
In its place came the twenty-story ‘House of the Soviets’, built as the party headquarters for the Kaliningrad Oblast.

According to Leonid Brezhnev was the evil. The "hornet's nest of militarism and fascism".
This place was always filled with life and beauty... but some ignorant people have changed that forever.

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Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Königsberg_Castle













































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Old December 4th, 2013, 06:54 PM   #1363
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Das Königsberger Schloss / The Königsberg Castle

The Königsberg Castle (German: Königsberger Schloss) was a castle in Königsberg, and was one of the symbolic landmarks of the East Prussian capital Königsberg.

Following the bombing of Königsberg by the Royal Air Force in the Second World War in 1944, the castle completely burnt down. However, the thick walls were able to withstand both the aerial bombing and Soviet artillery, as well as urban fighting in April 1945, allowing the ruins of the castle to stay standing.
In 1968 did Soviet party leader Leonid Brezhnev decide to demolish the remains of the ‘hornet’s nest of militarism and fascism’.
In its place came the twenty-story ‘House of the Soviets’, built as the party headquarters for the Kaliningrad Oblast.

According to Leonid Brezhnev was the evil. The "hornet's nest of militarism and fascism".
This place was always filled with life and beauty... but some ignorant people have changed that forever.
Here again...

No, not "in its place". 200 metres to the east. The place, where castle used to stand, is empty.
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Old December 4th, 2013, 10:42 PM   #1364
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Here again...

No, not "in its place". 200 metres to the east. The place, where castle used to stand, is empty.

Thank you for your comments! Yes, you're right! ...as shown in the picture. But the basic point remains: forever lost...









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Old December 5th, 2013, 01:14 AM   #1365
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Thank you for your comments! Yes, you're right! ...as shown in the picture. But the basic point remains: forever lost...
Who knows...
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Old December 5th, 2013, 07:11 PM   #1366
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Who knows...
You cant change the past... Sadly...
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Old December 6th, 2013, 12:07 AM   #1367
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but you can build a better future...unfortunately it may not look as pretty
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Old December 6th, 2013, 12:32 PM   #1368
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I recall seeing the Castle in The film KOLBERG (in color). I have it at home.

Wonder if the shots where the girl meets the Queen are really taken from the inside of the Castle.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 01:46 PM   #1369
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You cant change the past... Sadly...
But one can always reconstruct the building
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Old December 10th, 2013, 04:36 AM   #1370
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fantastic images. what a tragic loss for generations born after it was lost.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 10:18 AM   #1371
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but you can build a better future...unfortunately it may not look as pretty
Which kind of defeats the whole purpose of trying, don't you think?
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Old December 11th, 2013, 10:29 AM   #1372
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But one can always reconstruct the building
Not that building. Not in a million years.

Take another look at the pictures above. A good close look.

And then consider that today absolutely nothing remains of that structure.

Even if their very lives depended on it, the Russians couldn't faithfully reconstruct the Königsberg Castle.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 12:18 PM   #1373
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Even if their very lives depended on it, the Russians couldn't faithfully reconstruct the Königsberg Castle.
But what is a faithful reconstruction? I don't know many. Not even the Germans faithfully reconstruct their castles. Dresden is a "best of" castle, and Berlin a modern building with a baroque cover on three sides. And Poland? They reconstructed Renaissance fantasies in the former German territories.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 12:31 PM   #1374
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Even if their very lives depended on it, the Russians couldn't faithfully reconstruct the Königsberg Castle.
I don't think the problem is with Russians. Nobody could. Even Germans (if this place would have remained at their territory).
As most old castles the Königsberg Castle (the pictures show it clearly) was a complicated irregular structure with parts and layers remaining of different times and styles. And it was a reason for a great part of its charm.
But the most significant "resurrection" projects of today deal with objects which were built (or heavily rebuilt) more or less at the same time by the same project, as a whole. Even Berlin Stadtschloss revival project doesn't include its oldest part with remains of the previous castle. And it doesn't include most of the interiors either.
I may believe that some prominent parts of the Königsberg Castle will be rebuilt some time. Its main tower, for example. But never the whole structure, especially with interiors (of which I presume not so many pictures are left not mentioning the precise drawings).
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Dresden is a "best of" castle
But the Dresden castle wasn't destroyed completely, it was a restoration, not rebuilding from the scratch.
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I don't think the problem is with Russians. Nobody could. Even Germans (if this place would have remained at their territory).
As most old castles the Königsberg Castle (the pictures show it clearly) was a complicated irregular structure with parts and layers remaining of different times and styles. And it was a reason for a great part of its charm.
But the most significant "resurrection" projects of today deal with objects which were built (or heavily rebuilt) more or less at the same time by the same project, as a whole. Even Berlin Stadtschloss revival project doesn't include its oldest part with remains of the previous castle. And it doesn't include most of the interiors either.
I may believe that some prominent parts of the Königsberg Castle will be rebuilt some time. Its main tower, for example. But never the whole structure, especially with interiors (of which I presume not so many pictures are left not mentioning the precise drawings).
Btw. What's status of castle foundations and basements? I believe they could at least partially reconstruct them and create there some underground museum with castle history etc. That would be a good starting point I think.

Found a pic of excavations:

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I don't think the problem is with Russians. Nobody could. Even Germans (if this place would have remained at their territory).
As most old castles the Königsberg Castle (the pictures show it clearly) was a complicated irregular structure with parts and layers remaining of different times and styles. And it was a reason for a great part of its charm.
But the most significant "resurrection" projects of today deal with objects which were built (or heavily rebuilt) more or less at the same time by the same project, as a whole. Even Berlin Stadtschloss revival project doesn't include its oldest part with remains of the previous castle. And it doesn't include most of the interiors either.
I may believe that some prominent parts of the Königsberg Castle will be rebuilt some time. Its main tower, for example. But never the whole structure, especially with interiors (of which I presume not so many pictures are left not mentioning the precise drawings).
I agree it's not a problem with Russians. I phrased that poorly.

Nobody on this planet could build anything but the faintest shadow of what once stood there.

And as you correctly point out, the decisions reached prior to rebuilding the Berlin Stadtschloss further underscore that unfortunate reality.
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Not that building. Not in a million years.

Take another look at the pictures above. A good close look.

And then consider that today absolutely nothing remains of that structure.

Even if their very lives depended on it, the Russians couldn't faithfully reconstruct the Königsberg Castle.
The good copy would be more than enough.
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But the Dresden castle wasn't destroyed completely, it was a restoration, not rebuilding from the scratch.
Precisely.

Had the Soviets not obliterated the remains of Königsberg's castle in 1968, the exterior might well have been restored by now. The same applies for many of the surrounding buildings that were still standing in part at the end of the war.
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But the Dresden castle wasn't destroyed completely, it was a restoration, not rebuilding from the scratch.
But they rebuild (it's still not finished) parts of the castle from scratch. The chapel wasn't destroyed in 1945 but 1737 for example:




The Great Courtyard didn't show sgraffiti and Renaissance gables before 1945 either:




Same angle today:



Wouldn't you call this a reconstruction?
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