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Old January 31st, 2014, 04:59 PM   #1401
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Church of Powunden/Chrabrowo

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Powunden/Chrabrowo

the church survived WW2 without damages, was used as a club in the next years, completely plundered during that time, burned down and finally used as a quarry.

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frescos from 1380

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Old January 31st, 2014, 05:07 PM   #1402
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Koenigsberg/Kaliningrad
tomb of George William, elector of Brandenburg. The tomb survived WW2, only the eagles were destroyed. In 1947 the tomb disappeared.

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Old January 31st, 2014, 05:34 PM   #1403
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Cranz/Selenogradsk
once a posh spa town

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In the 30s

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Brochure form the 30s


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Old February 1st, 2014, 09:21 AM   #1404
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Old February 1st, 2014, 12:08 PM   #1405
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Trakehnen/Jasnaja Poljana
once the biggest and most famous horse breed stable of Germany, founded in 1731 by Frederick William I of Prussia.

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The so called "Tempelhueter", which was moved to Moscow after WW2

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Trakehner

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Many Trakehners died on the flight to the west in the winter of 1945, only 620 of the 1.115 horses survived. Many of them were confiscated as war reparations and taken to Russia.

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Old February 1st, 2014, 02:20 PM   #1406
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Pillau/Baltiysk
Light house and monument of Frederick William, the Great Elector, in the 1930s. The light house was built by Karl Friedrich Schinkel. Frederick William expanded Pillau and turned it into a Prussian naval base.

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Light house today
The monument of Frederick William can be found in Baltiysks German sister city Eckernförde now, which has no relation to Frederick William. The pedestral is kept in the citadel of Baltiysk. In place of the Great Elector is a monument of Russian king Peter the Great now, who has almost no relation to the city, apart from the fact that he stayed there 3x on his travels to Western Europe.


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Old February 2nd, 2014, 01:20 AM   #1407
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Does somebody have more photos of east prussian manors and castles built in the 17th century and later, which are now situated in Kaliningrad Oblast?
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 10:37 PM   #1408
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Does somebody have more photos of east prussian manors and castles built in the 17th century and later, which are now situated in Kaliningrad Oblast?
Why you exactly interested in castles/palaces which were built after XVII c.?
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 10:55 PM   #1409
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Maybe he don't like gothic and renaissance.
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Old February 2nd, 2014, 11:07 PM   #1410
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So baroque..

Schloss Friedrichstein/ current name as always has very much something with this place - Ка́менка, 20 km to east from Konigsberg

Palace was built in 1709-1714. Burnt by Red army in 1945, demolished in 1957.

Sad, but from palace nothing left

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Old February 3rd, 2014, 12:07 AM   #1411
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Everyone knows, the Soviets weren't really font of aristocracy and their belongings. So I am curious if anybody knows if the Red Army had the same policy of demolishing manors and castles in the rest of the Soviet Union, or was this specific to the conquered territories, like East Prussia/Kalliningrad?
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Old February 3rd, 2014, 03:12 AM   #1412
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Everyone knows, the Soviets weren't really font of aristocracy and their belongings. So I am curious if anybody knows if the Red Army had the same policy of demolishing manors and castles in the rest of the Soviet Union, or was this specific to the conquered territories, like East Prussia/Kalliningrad?
All manors and palaces were nationalized and most of them were destroyed, simmilar situation was in Baltic states and in other former Soviet republics, but some survived because society managed to stop vandalizing, for example in Vilnius, Soviets had idea to demolish a huge part of Vilnius oldtown, because they wanted to build a highway, but it was stoped. In East Prussia almost all local inhabitans pulled out country, newcomers Russians understood all Prussian heritage, as Nazi heritage...So in East Prussia was the most devastated heritage, for example in Baltic states survived almost all churches what I would not say about Prussia, in each town left ruins.
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Old February 3rd, 2014, 08:38 AM   #1413
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All manors and palaces were nationalized and most of them were destroyed, simmilar situation was in Baltic states and in other former Soviet republics, but some survived because society managed to stop vandalizing, for example in Vilnius, Soviets had idea to demolish a huge part of Vilnius oldtown, because they wanted to build a highway, but it was stoped. In East Prussia almost all local inhabitans pulled out country, newcomers Russians understood all Prussian heritage, as Nazi heritage...So in East Prussia was the most devastated heritage, for example in Baltic states survived almost all churches what I would not say about Prussia, in each town left ruins.
The Russian part of East Prussia is the most devastated region I've ever seen. Literally everything there is in ruins, even the scenery isn't recognizable anymore, since the drainage system wasn't maintained and all fields lie fallow now. Once East Prussia fed Germany, now the Russian part has to import food.
Compared to the Russian East Prussia the Polish part looks much better, although the Polish Commies weren't that much better. What worked in the countries favour was the fact that even in the Commmie regime the Catholic church was still very important, which saved most churches, and that Poland received the part that had a relation to Poland (Warmia and Masuria), which saved everything with a Slavic name, like the graveyards in Masuria (although almost all Masurians fled to Germany) or epitaphs of Polish nobles (mostly from Inner Poland) in Warmia. German epitaphs on the other hand were often destroyed shortly after the war or in the early 50s, most graveyards leveled in the 70s. Castles and manors, if not destroyed in the war anyway or related to Poland (like Malbork), deteriorated over the years and fell to ruin, but in the last years many of them were saved.
But generally East Prussia doesn't exist anymore, as both the Russian and the Polish side worked very hard to get rid of it. IMHO the only place where you can get a sense of the old East Prussia today is Nida, formerly Nidden, in Lithuania.
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Poland received the part that had a relation to Poland
Yes, that's maybe the main point. Poles considered this land to be their land which had historical connections with Poland and now returned to the Motherland. But in the Soviet Union the Kaliningrad region was treated like tabula rasa, a territory with no significant history (with few exceptions like Kant's name) which had to be created anew as a pure Soviet (not even Russian) land inhabited by Soviet people. It wasn't impossible to invent some mythology emphasizing Slavic past of the land and historical connections between Eastern Prussia and Russia and thus create sort of historically based identity for the inhabitants but Soviets didn't bother with that. And yes, people tended to associate Koenigsberg region with Nazi regime ahd this way of thinking was officially maintained.
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Survived Tharau/Владимирово church, built in XIV c. It is typical gothic church in former Prussia. 15 km to south from Konigsberg. Old Baltic name - Torava, Toruva

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German epitaphs on the other hand were often destroyed shortly after the war or in the early 50s, most graveyards leveled in the 70s. Castles and manors, if not destroyed in the war anyway or related to Poland (like Malbork), deteriorated over the years and fell to ruin, but in the last years many of them were saved.
Well, as I could see, not all German epitaphs, monuments (f.ex. dating WWI) and especially manors were destroyed. Though, too many of them is still in bad condition.
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Königsberg in 1585 (click on image to enlarge)

* Without doubt, the most developed city in Duchy of Prussia (population 15,000-20,000).
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Old February 3rd, 2014, 06:15 PM   #1418
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There are many also Lithuanian surnames on gravestones, in especially northern part of Prussia:
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Old February 3rd, 2014, 07:03 PM   #1419
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Well, as I could see, not all German epitaphs, monuments (f.ex. dating WWI) and especially manors were destroyed. Though, too many of them is still in bad condition.
Some epitaphs returned since 1989. Sometimes they are broken, that's often the result of the deliberate destruction after WW2 (the Polish Commies organized these things in the first years after the war). WW1 monuments with Polish (=Masurian) names usually survived (like the graveyards), in this case you have to read the (last) names on the monument.
Manors wheren't destroyed, they usually were ran down. That also happened in the GDR or Czechia, but in both countries much more manors survived.
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East Prussian plebiscite memorial in Allenstein
this memorial was built in 1928 to remember the plebiscite, in which most people voted for Germany.






Monument to the Heroes of the Struggle for National Liberation and a Socialist Warmia and Mazury in Olsztyn

The German monument from 1928 was demolished after WW2. In place of the old monument a new one, dedicated to the Heroes of the Struggle for National Liberation and a Socialist Warmia and Mazury, was built in 1972.

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Yes, Naujok or Naujokas was the most common name of prussian-lithuanian origin in this region. There are many other forms like Naujocks, Naujoks, Naujock, Naujokat und Naujack. It means "Neumann" in german.

If you type the names in here, you can see the regional distribution of the names in 1942 via telephone book. Although not many people had a telephone at home, it gives you a first notion.

Some exampels:Naujoks, Naujok, Naujocks, Naujokat
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