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Old February 21st, 2014, 05:30 PM   #1461
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Precisely. Define "kitschy" regarding retroversionist buildings in East Prussia.
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Old February 22nd, 2014, 01:59 PM   #1462
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"Jest na boru gajecek" (Warmian folk music)
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Old February 22nd, 2014, 05:57 PM   #1463
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What does this have to do With "former East Preussia"? Neither the People nor the clothes look German to me...
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Old February 22nd, 2014, 06:32 PM   #1464
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Masurians were/are also a part of East Prussia.
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Old February 22nd, 2014, 07:33 PM   #1465
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What does this have to do With "former East Preussia"? Neither the People nor the clothes look German to me...
Neither your knowledge/attitude seems to be matching to this thread
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 12:37 AM   #1466
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"Jest na boru gajecek" (Warmian folk music)
Do they sing in Polish?
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 01:57 AM   #1467
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 09:59 AM   #1468
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Do they sing in Polish?
They sing in Warnijsko gwara (Warmian dialect), which is classified as part of the Polish dialects of Mazovia. The basis of Warmian dialect were/are dialects of Chełmno-Dobrzyń region, which subsequently have been influenced by Mazovian dialects. Warmian dialect until the 19th century was very close to Polish literary language (which was the language of religious literature). Since then, many German words have been incorporated into Warmian vocabulary.
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 11:43 AM   #1469
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Wedding wishes to Hingelberg and Nicolaus married in Elbląg/Elbing in 1753...



It gives you an idea what a great cultural melting pot the northern parts of Poland were before the partitions.

A letter written in 1661 by King of Poland, Jan Kazimierz, to commandant of Elbląg/Elbing fortress, Henryk de Beaulieu.


PS. I wonder if Poland could be once more so strong economically and tolerant to attract people from Netherlands, Germany, France or Italy.

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As you probably know it was more about religious freedom than economic power that attract people from western Europe.
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 02:27 PM   #1471
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As I know Masurians also had a bit influence from old-Prussian language.
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 04:22 PM   #1472
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Correct, according to many sources Masurian dialect of the Polish language was minimally influenced by old-Prussian language, but in fact I didn't notice this influence in Masurian literature ("Przyjaciel Ludu Łecki", "Gazeta Ludowa", "Gazeta Lecka" and many books are available online).

Fragment of "Przyjaciel Ludu Łecki" (1842) published in Ełk/Lyck, Masuria


One more thing, Warmian and Masurian dialects according to scholars were/are slightly different, but again, for me texts issued in Warmia and Masuria look very much as a proper Polish literary language. If you had given me texts published in the 19th century in Warsaw, Olsztyn (Warmia) and Ełk (Masuria), honestly I wouldn't tell the difference. Obviously, Masurian texts were printed in Gothic font, while Warmian and other Polish texts were prepared in easy to read regular fonts.

Fragment of "Gazeta Olsztyńska" (1886) published in Olsztyn/Allenstein, Warmia
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Old February 24th, 2014, 01:03 PM   #1473
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The Museum of Elbląg/Elbing renovation












"Specjal" Pub in Elbląg/Elbing




* Great news, about 4.8 mln EUR (20 mln PLN) will be spent for Lidzbark Warmiński/Heilsberg castle renovation works over next 2 years - more. Please rebuilt Jan Stefan Wydzga's Palace, please, please...
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Precisely. Define "kitschy" regarding retroversionist buildings in East Prussia.
I mean this:

Marijampole:


Nidzica:
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Both of examples are OK for me.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 03:25 PM   #1476
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Both of examples are OK for me.
So it is a matter of taste. I really like Mazury and Warmia and I'm excited of a lot of changes in this area, but why the urban space can't be created more modestly ? Does everything have to look like a birthday cake? Lithuanians do not disfigure the urban landscape with tacky billboards , that in many Polish towns completely cover the architecture. And these horrible colors, from which hurts the eyes. LT cities are perhaps gray and sad, but there is no this mess that I see in the pictures of Nidzica for example.
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So it is a matter of taste. I really like Mazury and Warmia and I'm excited of a lot of changes in this area, but why the urban space can't be created more modestly ? Does everything have to look like a birthday cake? Lithuanians do not disfigure the urban landscape with tacky billboards , that in many Polish towns completely cover the architecture. And these horrible colors, from which hurts the eyes. LT cities are perhaps gray and sad, but there is no this mess that I see in the pictures of Nidzica for example.
Billboards are terrible, I agree, but you've mentioned buildings.
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New Town Hall in Tolkmicko/Tolkemit, former Kingdom of Poland/Royal Prussia






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Recently renovated Baroque Cemetery Chapel




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The 18th century Franciscan monastery in Kadyny/Cadinen (rebuilt recently), former Kingdom of Poland/Royal Prussia






The monastery in the early 1900s (in ruins since the dissolution in 1826)

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This tower is pretty bad are they preparing for mongol invasion or something
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