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Old February 26th, 2014, 03:46 PM   #1481
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Probably so much Neo-Gothic rubbish in the region distorted architects taste...I've noticed the same stuff happening with e.g. recent projects in Malbork.
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Probably so much Neo-Gothic rubbish in the region distorted architects taste...I've noticed the same stuff happening with e.g. recent projects in Malbork.
What neo-Gothic rubbish?
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Old February 27th, 2014, 10:43 AM   #1483
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I mean the over-elaborate, ostentatious, and in my opinion simply rubbish Neo-Gothic buildings (churches, town halls, offices, even railway stations) built there in the 19th-20th century, very often often replacing genuine Gothic, Renaissance and Baroque architecture.

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Well, IMHO these neo-Gothic buildings are the cornerstone of Prussian architecture and make this land so beautiful
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Old February 27th, 2014, 11:52 AM   #1485
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So once again it's probably a matter of taste. Personally, I would always choose genuine Gothic, Renaissance and Baroque (see below) over Neo-Gothic.







Fingers crossed that more of the pre-19th century architecture (especially in former Polish Crown) will be reconstructed, so both of us could be happy and enjoy sightseeing

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Old February 27th, 2014, 05:03 PM   #1486
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So once again it's probably a matter of taste. Personally, I would always choose genuine Gothic, Renaissance and Baroque (see below) over Neo-Gothic.
It's worth remembering that in 19th century cities in East Prussia increased 3-4-5-fold. So, new buildings in neo-Gothic style weren't necessarily replacements for older ones. They were often new developments established in new districts built from the scratch. I would also like to remind, that most of residential buildings up to 19th century were made of wood (except from the best, the riches residences, and except from ensembles of Hanseatic cities, like Elbląg). So not much of them could survive.
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Old February 28th, 2014, 12:00 PM   #1487
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New Town Hall in Tolkmicko/Tolkemit, former Kingdom of Poland/Royal Prussia






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Recently renovated Baroque Cemetery Chapel




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It's probably not the reconstruction in the historical form?
Tolkmicko is a very nice town with monuments in many styles, with preserved urban layout, gothic monuments, the baroque cemetery chapel interesting, nineteenth-century railway station.
So context to draw inspiration is large.
But modern building, made of the red brick for example, would be the best, don't you think?
Creating retroversions is even debatable, although I can understand the way to seek appropriate architectural form fitting to the environment.
The tower, however, is an exaggeration, like a fence with cast iron grate.
The town hall after all is probably better than this in Elblag.
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Albrycht Zaborowski/Albert Zabriskie - Polish Lutheran nobleman (Rogala coat of arms) born in 1638 in Węgorzewo/Angerburg (Masuria), one of the pioneers of European colonization within the area of the present day state of New Jersey. He originated the Zabriskie family, which produced many eminent Americans, such as businessman Christian Brevoort Zabriskie (for whom Zabriskie Point in Death Valley is named) and actress Grace Zabriskie.

* see also posts #1296 and #1338
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Krystyna Weilandt (born in 1923 in Elbing, descendant of Wiehler family, Mennonites who settled in Żuławy Wiślane in the 17th century) celebrates her 90th birthday in Elbląg/Elbing








There are about 1000 people with typical Mennonite surnames (e.g. Dyck, Epp, Pauls) living in that region of Poland today. I wish that Mennonite community (established in Żuławy Wiślane in the 16th century) will be restored.

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Lithuanian church in Tilsit/Tilžė/Sovetsk. Destroyed after WWII.




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The remains of Elbląg/Elbing fortifications (built between 1600 and 1607, dismantled in 1774)




"Warmińska" Inn (Gietrzwałd/Dietrichswalde)






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Fingers crossed that more of the pre-19th century architecture (especially in former Polish Crown) will be reconstructed, so both of us could be happy and enjoy sightseeing
Why especially in Polish crown? not need nationalism where it not exist, for us I think interesting all architecture from former Prussia, not only from Warmia.
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Why especially in Polish crown? not need nationalism where it not exist, for us I think interesting all architecture from former Prussia, not only from Warmia.
Nationalism? Well let us look at the map:



*striped part is under the Crown's rule.
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Kaliningrad area, Tapiau/Tepliava. Gvarejsk


It Looks like a film decoration! Amazing, but sad sight.
My father was 2 times in a Kaliningrad Oblast in the early 90's, and talked about just such scenes. Not much changed until today ...
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Why especially in Polish crown? not need nationalism where it not exist, for us I think interesting all architecture from former Prussia, not only from Warmia.
I would not exaggerate with the word "nationalism", rather, again, it is searching for identity. Nationalism could have been a destruction of the Prussian monuments and rewriting them in the form of "original Polish."
Those days are thankfully long gone.
The problem probably lies in the fact that we return to the matter of reconstruction in general.
What and how? or even to reconstruct? What is the historical truth in architecture, etc..
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Monument to the Fallen Soldiers of Austro-Prussian and Franco-Prussian wars (reconstructed in 2003) in Olecko/Marggrabowa, Masuria




WW1 cemetery in in Olecko/Marggrabowa


Former Protestant Church in Pozezdrze/Possessern, Masuria


WW1 cemeteries in Pozezdrze/Possessern




WW1 cemetery in Dłutowo/Dlottowen, Masuria


WW1 cemetery in Giżycko/Lötzen, Masuria




WW1 Monument in Ramsowo/Gross Ramsau, Warmia (also post #716)




WW1 Monument in Boćwinka/Bodschwingken, Masuria


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I would not exaggerate with the word "nationalism", rather, again, it is searching for identity.
Well, many of us lost identity after forced deportation, expulsions, ethnic cleansing that took place within territories of former Poland and Germany. About 15% Poles living in today's Poland have their roots in what is now Lithuania, Belarus or Ukraine. Luckily enough, we can find thousands of artifacts, books, places, etc. related to Poland in former East Prussia, so creating a new identity is much easier.
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If you liked post #1333, more from OPB Development...New developments in Olsztyn/Allenstein, Warmia




And with Google Maps, you'll find thousands of new houses decorated with pieces of folk art


The remains of Gothic barbican discovered recently in Olsztyn/Allenstein




Pilgrim House (under construction)

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