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Old March 23rd, 2014, 09:53 PM   #1521
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Problem is, that the russians did nearly nothing in the city after the war.
Nearly nothing? Really? You judge only by the architecture, not by the level of efforts.
Commieblocks? There was a necessity to place people somewhere, to build new houses, to make the town alive again within a short time. There was a lot of work and people did that work. The center of the town was demolished almost entirely. Of course, there were objects which were destroyed at the order of the authorities, but I repeat once again - people were against those destructions.
However, what was destroyed hardly will be rebuilt but there are projects of renovation, reconstruction of the city and they're being implemented more or less.


About how first settlers came to Koenigsberg after the war:
My great-grandmother and grandmother came here after the war mostly because their home had been destroyed and they had nothing in their hometown. The authorities offered flats, houses, etc. to those who'd agree to come to Koenigsberg to rebuilt it, firstly, they offered jobs for teachers, factory workers, doctors and to other vital specialists. So this is how my relatives on the maternal side came here.
My other grandparents were in active military service and were assinged for service in Koenigsberg. When their service was nearly over they decided not to come back to their hometown but to stay in Kaliningrad.
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 11:05 PM   #1522
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Nearly nothing? Really? You judge only by the architecture, not by the level of efforts.
Well I referred to the old town around the Dom and Kneiphof not the outskirts where new flats where built relatively fast. The ruins there stood much longer than in other destroyed cities. For many years the destroyed buildings in the city centre only served as a stone quarry. And In the 70s they flattened the area around the Dom.
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Old March 23rd, 2014, 11:32 PM   #1523
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Well I referred to the old town around the Dom and Kneiphof not the outskirts where new flats where built relatively fast. The ruins there stood much longer than in other destroyed cities. For many years the destroyed buildings in the city centre only served as a stone quarry. And In the 70s they flattened the area around the Dom.
You should refer to the ideology the authorities were determined to fob off on people. It was "a hostile land full of foreign and so remote objects which had to be demolished just because they didn't answer the authorities' conceptualization or our culture" - smth like that... Silly, but it worked out.
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Old March 24th, 2014, 02:15 PM   #1524
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Silly, but it worked out.
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Old March 24th, 2014, 02:28 PM   #1525
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Cemetery in Совхозное/Mattischkehmen, Kaliningrad Oblast


WW1 memorials in Ульяновское/Klein Beynuhnen and Заозёрное/Kowarren, Kaliningrad Oblast


Are there any cities/towns (in Kaliningrad Oblast) with preserved urban layout and major historic monuments? Железнодорожный/Gerdauen, Гвардейск/Tapiau?

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I know of none, and suspect few if any actually exist.

Fact is, in my ancestral homelands of the Konigsberg to Danzig/Marienwerder areas, the German culture that was not already blown up was largely bulldozed under. German cemeteries were even destroyed; headstones used as landfill or gravel or other building needs and the graves dug up and burned. Can't imagine the same conquerors 'preserving' much of the same.
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The larger towns were all heavily damaged. About 2300 villages were not repopulated at all. (Similar to the Sudetenland although I don't know any reliable numbers there). So I don't think that there are larger preserved areas with more than a few streets ore a handful of farms. Maybe some locals know more.
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Old March 25th, 2014, 03:49 PM   #1528
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Teodor Potocki's mansion (built between 1718 and 1719, rebuilt after WW2) in Braniewo/Braunsberg (Warmia) will be soon renovated








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Old March 25th, 2014, 05:19 PM   #1529
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The larger towns were all heavily damaged. About 2300 villages were not repopulated at all. (Similar to the Sudetenland although I don't know any reliable numbers there). So I don't think that there are larger preserved areas with more than a few streets ore a handful of farms. Maybe some locals know more.
You're right.
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Percentage comparison of the damage does not make sense. The buildings were in a different state, and still were counted to "demolition".

Compare pictures with in the main city of Gdańsk and old town in Królewiec.
Frankly speaking, I don't see much difference. Nearly everything had to be rebuilt from the scratch.

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Are there any cities/towns (in Kaliningrad Oblast) with preserved urban layout and major historic monuments? Железнодорожный/Gerdauen, Гвардейск/Tapiau?
Insterburg/Wystruć/Черняховск/Czerniachowsk/Czerniakhovsk is relatively, and I reiterate: relatively, well preserved.
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Could you link some of those announcements? I don't know about you, but I've had a hard time finding those properties out for sale.
Some examples (just click on the link):
Powałczyn/Powalczin, Masuria (traditional Masurian wooden house built in 2009, price: 680 000 PLN)
Stare Juchy/Alt Jucha, Masuria (traditional Masurian wooden house built in 2004, price: 700 000 PLN)
Pasym/Passenheim, Masuria (built in 2001, price: 1 500 000 PLN)
Brąswałd/Braunswalde, Warmia (built in neo-Gothic style in 1992, price: 1 900 000 PLN)
Mrągowo/Sensburg, Masuria (built in 2003, price: 2 750 000 PLN)
Frombork/Frauenburg, Warmia (unfinished project, price: 3 000 000 PLN)
Olsztyn/Allenstein, Warmia (built in 2006, price: 3 500 000 PLN)
Biesowo/Groß Bössau, Warmia (built in 2004, price: 3 599 000 PLN)
Kruklanki/Kruglanken, Masuria (built in 2010, price: 3 950 000 PLN)
Prażmowo/Salpia, Masuria (built in 2011, price: 4 700 000 PLN)

1 PLN = 0.24 EUR
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Old March 28th, 2014, 12:37 PM   #1532
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Reconstruction of Town Hall in Morąg/Mohrungen (1954)


Morąg/Mohrungen Main Square in 1965 (houses built in the late 1950s)




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Starzyńskiego Street in Bartoszyce/Bartenstein (early 1970s)


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Population of the largest cities* in former East Prussia...

Kaliningrad Oblast (Russia)

Königsberg/Калининград
1400 - 10.000
1550 - 14.000
1708 - 40.600
1813 - 48.729
1852 - 79.887
1910 - 245.994
1939 - 372.000
2013 - 441.376

Tilsit/Сове́тск
1939 - 59.105
2013 - 41.802

Insterburg/Черняхо́вск
1939 - 48.711
2013 - 38.571

Gumbinnen/Гу́сев
1939 - 24.534
2013 - 28.534

Poland

Elbing/Elbląg
1500 - 11.000
1600 - 15.000 (one of the most important cities and second largest port in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth)
1722 - 17.229
1846 - 22.020
1913 - 62.258
1939 - 85.952
1977 - 102.700
2012 - 123.977

Allenstein/Olsztyn, Warmia
1939 - 50.396
1973 - 105.600
2012 - 175.482

Braunsberg/Braniewo, Warmia
1579 - 3.500 (the largest city in Warmia)
1939 - 21.142
2012 - 17.455

Rastenburg/Kętrzyn, Masuria
1939 - 19.634
2012 - 28.256

Osterode/Ostróda
1939 - 19.519
2012 - 34.047

Lyck/Ełk, Masuria
1939 - 16.482
2013 - 59.666

* Cities with population over 15,000 before WW2

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St. Anthony's Church in Elbląg/Elbing




Bench with coat of arms of Elbląg/Elbing's councillors (e.g. Royal murgrabia Izrael Hoppe)

Hoppe surnames distribution map and members of the Hoppe noble family.

Baroque epitaph of Polish Army colonel Fryderyk Wilhelm Wangenheim (†1743) and polychrome from the 15th century (coat of arms of the Polish Crown and Royal Prussia), ordered by Ścibor Bażeński (more about the family)


Old house near the church


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Old April 1st, 2014, 04:49 PM   #1536
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scary...
What truly scary is how devoid of basic human compassion people in this thread are, blaming the nation that suffered the loss of 27 mln people in WW2 for not caring enough about sone old german rocks.
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it is very beatiful.i like it
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Well, if Kaliningrad Oblast is Your homeland
You cannot develope such connection overnight, it takes decades.
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I think the major thing to consider here is that Prussia, unlike much of Russia, had a strong urban heritage which is reflected in its many towns and villages (many of which had an urban character akin to a small town). Most of these urban places had squares for trade, local church institutions for worship, functioned well locally and regionally (ie. were connected through political, social and religious connections to Germany as a whole) and was supported by a population which was generally urban-oriented (i.e. worked in trades, owned stores or eventually in localized industry). Farmers lived out in the country and supported the towns and villages. The war and Soviet takeover removed everything that supported those relationships, left behind a few buildings, and brought in Russians who had a less urban orientation, weren't sure whether or not they would be settled there permanently and were raised in a culture which repressed the past. Why would an Orthodox farmer turned atheist soldier care about gabled Prussian tenements after the war, let alone restore them? On a mass scale, this was devastating for Prussian heritage in Kaliningrad. Poland was somewhat better, but we can see the socio-economic impacts of war really coming down hard on Warmia-Mazury as well.
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You cannot develope such connection overnight, it takes decades.
6 decades is not enough
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