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Old August 30th, 2012, 08:22 AM   #161
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So the bell tower will be in original form, inclusife spire, ornaments etc. instead of this newly tower with glass roof?
Exactly. The local Lutheran community said they don't need such a large church now and don't have enough money for it but the heritage office pushed to rebuilding of the original one. Then Lutherans said they will build this new church but with tower of original church.



(Visualisation is badly done, btw. The tower would stand straightly. )

Although, I hope they won't be building it like this and eventually the original one will be rebuilt with help of local government as the building could be used not only for church community needs but as a concert hall or smth. at the same time.
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Old August 30th, 2012, 09:23 AM   #162
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Poles did a great job there, in this particular city.
It's not entirely true. The St.Nicholas Cathedral has been rebuilt, because it was a major Catholic church for a few centuries and later Lutheran (however it maintained Catholic practice, due to Polish kings request).

Other Lutheran churches were not reconstructed...




Both churches were built in 19-20th century so there was no significant historical or architectural value.

Nevertheless, all churches that have been Catholic under Polish Crown were nicely reconstructed...



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Exactly. The local Lutheran community said they don't need such a large church now and don't have enough money for it but the heritage office pushed to rebuilding of the original one. Then Lutherans said they will build this new church but with tower of original church.



(Visualisation is badly done, btw. The tower would stand straightly. )

Although, I hope they won't be building it like this and eventually the original one will be rebuilt with help of local government as the building could be used not only for church community needs but as a concert hall or smth. at the same time.
But if the community says the original church is too big to rebuild and they have a lot of space left....why not make in the parts the Protestant community doesn't need a kind of museum (about the history of Klaipeda/Memel, history of Prussia etc.)
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Old August 30th, 2012, 02:01 PM   #165
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But if the community says the original church is too big to rebuild and they have a lot of space left....why not make in the parts the Protestant community doesn't need a kind of museum (about the history of Klaipeda/Memel, history of Prussia etc.)
That (rebuilding original large church and sharing it between Lutherans and municipality) would be the best way and it was promoted by some people from heritage office. Although it must be agreed first between the Lutherans and city municipality and city must find funds for the rebuilding (as it would be more costly).

At least it is still on hold so I hope they will rebuild the original church in the end.
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Old August 30th, 2012, 04:13 PM   #166
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Memel, Catholic church. After the war it was torn down. A simple stalinist style house was built on its place.






http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Memel/Katholische_Kirche

This small Baptist church still stands and is the oldest Baptist church in Europe.


http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Memel/Baptistengemeinde

This small church also survives.


More about destryed churches of Memel with lots of text in German and nice photos.
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Baakens...emel#Haus_Nr.7
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Memel/Marienkirche
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Memel/Nikolauskirche
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Memel/Reformierte_Kirche
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Memel/Englische_Kirche
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Memel/Johanniskirche
http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Memel/Jakobuskirche
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Another church in Memelland (in former Plaschken) which needs renovation and reconstruction.
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In many other villages of Kaliningrad Oblast there are old brick churches reconstructed/renovated, like in Arnau (Katharinenkirche) and of course the famous Koenigsberger Dom and the Judittenkirche (roof and a part of the churchwall fell down during the '60ies and '70ies)
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In many other villages of Kaliningrad Oblast there are old brick churches reconstructed/renovated, like in Arnau (Katharinenkirche) and of course the famous Koenigsberger Dom and the Judittenkirche (roof and a part of the churchwall fell down during the '60ies and '70ies)
There are much more renovated churches in Klaipėda region than in Kaliningrad Oblast, that looks really sad, even today some historical buildings, churches are being simple torn down...
And on the contrary in the EU, Lithuania, most are nicely renovated, there are plans to rebuild a lot of erased churches.
Like this one in tiny Plikiai village.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4135814580

Or this nice church in Karklė village, that will be rebuilt soon.

http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Karkelbeck

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4082747045/

The old church and houses nearby were torn down by the soviet military in 1956. The site was visited by the Prime Minister of Lithuania, A. Kubilius in spring, who said the rebuilding of the church should be hurried up. The documentation is finally finished.
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Wow...That is just AWESOME Hope we can see the results very, very fast

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Another great example from former Arnau in Kaliningrad Oblast (I posted about this in another thread, but here's about the reconstruction of the church again)

Since 1992 a small organisation of German people are rebuilding the Katharinenkirche in Arnau, since then they've completed the bell tower, builded a new roof and hung a new bell in the tower




http://www.kuratorium-arnau.net/Foto...fahne-0640.jpg










http://www.kuratorium-arnau.net/default.htm

I think the reconstruction of this church should be an example for other churches in Kaliningrad Oblast.
Why be in ruins if with some teamwork you can rebuild a whole church?
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Koenigsbergen

Hope we're going to see this again in the future....
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Another church in Memelland (in former Plaschken) which needs renovation and reconstruction.
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2582/4...66d0a20a_z.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3187/2...5443ff50_z.jpg
One of only a couple or so churches in Klaipeda region that is not yet restored.

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In many other villages of Kaliningrad Oblast there are old brick churches reconstructed/renovated, like in Arnau (Katharinenkirche) and of course the famous Koenigsberger Dom and the Judittenkirche (roof and a part of the churchwall fell down during the '60ies and '70ies)
Judittenkirche
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http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/p...m/12605447.jpg
This church in Arnau, and a few others, are more of an exception than a rule. Overwhelming majority of churches (and castles btw) in Kaliningrad region are in ruins. At least that's the impression i got after seeing most of the region a few years back.
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One of only a couple or so churches in Klaipeda region that is not yet restored.



This church in Arnau, and a few others, are more of an exception than a rule. Overwhelming majority of churches (and castles btw) in Kaliningrad region are in ruins. At least that's the impression i got after seeing most of the region a few years back.

True. I think it's time Germany doesn't only invest money in the reconstruction of old heritage in Kaliningrad, like the Koenigsberger Schloß, the Neue Synagoge or the Kneiphof.
Why not in the old castles like the (still standing) Labiauer Schloss or reconstruction of the churchtower in Ushakovo?

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True. I think it's time Germany doesn't only invest money in the reconstruction of old heritage in Kaliningrad, like the Koenigsberger Schloß, the Neue Synagoge or the Kneiphof.
Why not in the old castles like the (still standing) Labiauer Schloss or reconstruction of the churchtower in Ushakovo?
And why should you demand Germany to do that? Why should Germany be the paymaster for all the other countries (Kaliningrad isn't german anymore), while our own cities are neglected?
Trier, my homecity, for example can hardly aford to take care of it's own architectural heritage, even though they are UNESCO World Heritage sites...
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And why should Germany do that?
Maybe he meant Russia? I certainly hope he did...
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And why should you demand Germany to do that? Why should Germany be the paymaster for all the other countries (Kaliningrad isn't german anymore), while our own cities are neglected?
Trier, my homecity, for example can hardly aford to take care of it's own architectural heritage, even though they are UNESCO World Heritage sites...
*Russia.
Sorry, my mistake.
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But my point is, Russia doesn't invest much money of rebuilding old heritage in the Kaliningrad Oblast.
The Katharinenkirche of Arnau is renovated and partly reconstructed by a in Germany created group named Kuratorium Arnau e. V., and wasn't supported with money by the Russian State.
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When I noticed this thread today, I thought that it might be fantastic thread about this fantastic region. Nope. Of course, some people had to start brawl here. Guys, can you just shut up and watch photos?

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Amazing 17th century Royal House reconstruction (many Polish kings like Wladyslaw IV, August II, Stanislaw Leszczynski had lived in this place)
And of course Charles X Gustav of Sweden, Charles XII of Sweden, tsar Peter the Great and Frederick the Great
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