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Old August 28th, 2012, 12:21 AM   #61
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We will have to await the detail of the towers, but if the website is anything to go by, the overall master plan should be pretty good! Like the idea of improving the riverfront walk and developing the railway arches.
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Old August 28th, 2012, 08:40 AM   #62
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We will have to await the detail of the towers, but if the website is anything to go by, the overall master plan should be pretty good! Like the idea of improving the riverfront walk and developing the railway arches.
Yes - it should be a stated goal for the city to open up as much river frontage as possible as pedestrianed area. Since I was a kid, much of the south bank has been transformed by this process. Crowds flock to such areas. The river is one of the best assets of the city, and we need to erase the short-sighted post-industrial planning decisions.
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Old August 28th, 2012, 09:48 AM   #63
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I'm a little concerned about a growing number of skyscrapers that are on the river front, It'd be nice to have some low rise elements infront of the towers to keep things tidy (I think). Plus I actually like that building (the non-brute one, is that Ludgate?) and thought it'd (eventually) work well sitting next to the Beetham tower.
Have to agree with you there. Not that is any where near happening but the river needs step backs and not a to become like a canyon!
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Old August 28th, 2012, 01:00 PM   #64
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I'm a little concerned about a growing number of skyscrapers that are on the river front, It'd be nice to have some low rise elements infront of the towers to keep things tidy (I think). Plus I actually like that building (the non-brute one, is that Ludgate?) and thought it'd (eventually) work well sitting next to the Beetham tower.
I think we can get away with it at this spot; is it is a pivotal bend in the river representing the axis of a wheel. The bendy river also gives the multiple emerging mini-clusters, the City, Blackfriars, London Bridge, Elephant & Castle and Waterloo great dynamism too. There is enough space between them to prevent a complete wall along the river from emerging; with enough conservation places and infrastructure to prevent it from happening in future.

Just such a shame that the the full potential we have sitting before us is not realised with the current development proposals of tall buildings in these multiple locales. They all hit an artificially stunted plateaux so this river shaped dynamism is not as exciting as it could be and it will never hit the popular concept of urban beauty as their bulky masses will certainly be no dreaming spires.
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Old August 28th, 2012, 01:02 PM   #65
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Have to agree with you there. Not that is any where near happening but the river needs step backs and not a to become like a canyon!
It will never become a canyon.
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Old August 29th, 2012, 10:42 AM   #66
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Very interesting article here about this development and the future of Blackfriars

http://www.londonreconnections.com/2...ng-the-future/
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Old August 29th, 2012, 02:40 PM   #67
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Oh dear.

After what looks like finally seeing the back of these two monsters, I can sense another disappointment looming.

More cladding, glass and steel shite offset by average open spaces with a few caffs 'n' coffee gaffs to try and liven things up...

Not sure the river should be a high rise alley. Looks like we're heading that way.
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Old August 29th, 2012, 03:14 PM   #68
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The river is 250m wide at this point. It is not an "alley"
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Old August 29th, 2012, 04:13 PM   #69
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creates a nice dramatic exit to the bridge with the simpson tower. Proportions and massing look slim and elegant, if quality materials are used this could be a massive change for the better..
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The river is 250m wide at this point. It is not an "alley"
OK then a valley. Better?

You know what I meant clever bollocks.
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Old August 29th, 2012, 05:07 PM   #71
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a river is a valley
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Old August 29th, 2012, 05:58 PM   #72
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Would an alley really be such a bad thing? Could open up some great public spaces along the river.
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Old August 30th, 2012, 09:52 AM   #73
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If we're all being so pedantic on here, a river is not a valley. A river is a watercourse generally at the lowest point of a valley.
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An article here that mentions the two properties, and a possibility of extending the lines through the site

http://www.londonreconnections.com/2...ng-the-future/
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Old August 30th, 2012, 10:51 AM   #75
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What the chances that lambeth and southwark will be the largest area of skyscrapers in 30 years.
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That all depends on UNESCO and the Government's response.
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Old September 25th, 2012, 07:47 PM   #77
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Went to the planning exhibition of this today. Weren't allowed to take photos as the renders and model photos will be online next week. Not saying much here as I don't want to be contributing to a certain websites news section, but in terms of permeation and ground level this works well, however the design of the towers is exactly as shown on those sketches, square rectangles with the usual rectilinear cladding. Same height as One Blackfriars for the main tower.
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Old September 25th, 2012, 07:48 PM   #78
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Old September 25th, 2012, 07:49 PM   #79
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Sounds like it may be too big for this area. Buildings should step up from the riverside IMHO. I hoped for a track straddler* too to close the gap in the riverside.

*Plus trains through buildings feel urban and cool, think Heron Quays and One America Square/Fenchurch. Not to mention Broadgate...
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Sounds like it may be too big for this area. Buildings should step up from the riverside IMHO. I hoped for a track straddler* too to close the gap in the riverside.

*Plus trains through buildings feel urban and cool, think Heron Quays and One America Square/Fenchurch. Not to mention Broadgate...
It's more a case the shrinking of One Blackfriars has created a 'glass ceiling' if you will that nobody is willing to go higher than. This proposal steps up from Neo Bankside to One Blackfriars, sadly there's no longer much difference in height so the potential drama of the 'steps' is lost.

They couldn't build over the tracks as there were right to light issues and the engineering was too costly so they changed the layout.
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