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Old January 26th, 2013, 11:16 PM   #61
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These were the original Gateway Bridge options. It needs to be high to allow for shipping (and there is quite a lot of it, so it would cause tailbacks having a opening) and therefore the road run ups need to be long (part of it on the south side has already been built).



I believe they chose the top left design after various input from City Airport. Whatever design it wouldn't be particularly pedestrian friendly.
ofcourse they chose the most ugly option.
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Old January 26th, 2013, 11:27 PM   #62
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Cheapest and quickest to build.
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Old January 27th, 2013, 12:05 AM   #63
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I believe they chose the top left design after various input from City Airport. Whatever design it wouldn't be particularly pedestrian friendly.
It wouldn't need to be, there is the Woolwich Foot Tunnel which runs under where the bridge is planned to be.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 07:17 PM   #64
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Greenwich: "We can build the Gallions Reach bridge"

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The proposed bridge at Gallions Reach could be paid for by councils if Transport for London drags its feet on the issue.

Greenwich Borough is so adamant the link between Thamesmead and the Royal Docks should be built it has said it and its cross river counterparts Newham could do it.

It said it will ask for Mayor Boris Johnson to give it the power to go ahead with the bridge if TfL decides it cannot construct it within the next 18 years.

TfL recently ran a consultation over both the Gallions Reach and Silvertown crossings.

In its submission to the consultation, Greenwich wrote: "The Royal Borough does not accept that a new fixed crossing at Gallions Reach could not be constructed before 2031.

"If TfL is unable to deliver a fixed crossing sooner than 2031 the Mayor should use the powers provided by the GLA Act 1999 (as amended by the GLA Act 2007) to delegate authority to the Royal Borough of Greenwich and Newham Council so as to facilitate that."

The consultation document was disclosed by Greenwich-based 853 Blog on Tuesday morning. In it, the council also said it accepted tolling would be necessary to fund the crossings.

The latest news is a boost to supporters of a bridge crossing in this region.

However, concerns continue over a road being put through Oxleas Wood to facilitate the crossing.

Bexley Council is strongly against the bridge on environmental grounds.
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853 "This is Greenwich and we do not do this in Greenwich" Greenwich Council: ‘We’ll build our own river crossing’

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"This truncated road at the end of Barnham Drive, Thamesmead would form part of the approach to any Gallions Reach crossing. Note the world’s worst cycle lane."

Greenwich Council is demanding the power to build a new road bridge at Thamesmead, according to its response to Transport for London’s consultation into river crossings.

As expected, the council is “strongly supporting” the controversial Silvertown Tunnel, which would branch off the A102 just south of the Blackwall Tunnel, as favoured by mayor Boris Johnson but opposed by local residents and the local Labour party.

There’s also no surprise in the council rejecting the mayor’s other proposal – to build a ferry at Gallions Reach, linking Thamesmead with Beckton, instead – and favouring a bridge instead.

But what is interesting is a demand that Greenwich and Newham councils be given the power to build their own bridge if TfL doesn’t build one.

It says: “The Royal Borough is concerned that a new fixed crossing at Gallions Reach should be constructed at the earliest possible opportunity [and] does not accept that a new fixed crossing at Gallions Reach could not be constructed before 2021.

“If TfL is unable to deliver a fixed crossing sooner than 2021 the Mayor should use the powers provided by the GLA Act 1999 (as amended by the GLA Act 2007) to delegate authority to the Royal Borough of Greenwich and Newham Council so as to facilitate that.”

The chances of Boris Johnson approving a bridge at Gallions Reach, to be built by TfL or anyone else, are remote. His political allies at neighbouring Bexley Council are implacably opposed to the idea, and scrapping a previous proposal – the Thames Gateway Bridge – was one of his pledges prior to his election as mayor in 2008.

That said, though, the mayor clashed with Conservative assembly member and Bexley cabinet member Gareth Bacon on the subject in January, an exchange which is worth reading (“I am not ruling it out. I am ruling out the Thames Gateway Bridge. I have ruled that out.”), while he has also acknowledged that a future mayor may take a different view.

Are the two Labour councils trying to offer Tory Boris a way out by offering to build a bridge themselves? It’s an interesting development.

It also deepens the council’s disagreement with Eltham Labour MP Clive Efford, who fears a Gallions Reach bridge would lead to a revival of long-scrapped plans to drive a motorway through Oxleas Woods. The local ward party in Shooters Hill has rejected the council’s campaign.

While a bridge at Gallions Reach may look more attractive compared with the crazy Silvertown proposal, many of the same issues apply. Air pollution is already poor in the area, underneath the London City Airport flightpath, and housing has already been built either side of the proposed approach at Barnham Drive, west Thamesmead.

There’s the additional complication of attracting more traffic to roads which wouldn’t be able to cope with the traffic – notoriously, the main route to the area from Bexleyheath is a side road, Knee Hill.

That said, those issues would also apply to Boris’s ferry proposal – supported by Bexley – which would replace the Woolwich Ferry, mostly used by HGVs.

Another interesting aspect of Greenwich’s response suggests using both crossings to create some kind of circular public transport link between the Royal Docks and the north of the borough, as well as flagging up its pet “DLR on stilts” proposal.

“An analysis of the opportunity to incorporate provision for a DLR extension to the south of the Royal Borough within the Silvertown Tunnel would be welcomed – alongside an analysis of the prospect of creating a circular public transport arrangement that could connect Thamesmead, Beckton, the University of East London campus, City Airport, ExCel, the O2, Ravensbourne College and North Greenwich station, Charlton Riverside, Woolwich Central and the new Crossrail stations utilising new crossing at Silvertown and Gallions Reach,” it says.

No reference to worries about air quality or increased congestion at either Silvertown or Gallions Reach feature in Greenwich’s submission, which records the curiously round figure of 1,200 signatures in support of its three-month long Bridge The Gap campaign, of which 795 were received online, the rest from pre-printed cards supplied to the public. (The No To Silvertown Tunnel petition got 348 in a month.)

It also supports tolling, yet acknowledges that this could send traffic towards Rotherhithe Tunnel and Tower Bridge: “It is essential that any tolling regime introduced is designed such that the World Heritage Site at Greenwich is not detrimentally affected by a potential shift of vehicle movements westwards to the nearest ‘free’ crossings.”

It says there should be “appropriate local traffic mitigation measures to safeguard the World Heritage Site and other residential areas in the proximity of the proposed Silvertown tunnel”, although it does not suggest what these would be.
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Old March 6th, 2013, 12:19 AM   #66
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Cheapest and quickest to build.
And ugliest.
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...what a waste of money and effort this was, for example. Why did the french bother when they could have saved time and money, because that's all that ******* matters in this world isn't it?
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Old March 6th, 2013, 10:26 AM   #68
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...what a waste of money and effort this was, for example. Why did the french bother when they could have saved time and money, because that's all that ******* matters in this world isn't it?
I agree. Any sensible nation would of used a roll on/off ferry or a cable car. Surely there must be a 100 year old Victorian road tunnel or broken down road system they could of used instead?
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Old March 6th, 2013, 01:12 PM   #69
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although in all fairness i think a cable car ride across that valley would be even better
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Old March 6th, 2013, 05:38 PM   #70
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None of these seem to have taken the Mayor's pet Cycling HobbyHorse onboard though... Tunnels are poorly suited to cycling. The two foot tunnels are awful and very poorly used. a bridge would get more passenger journeys off the road and encourage a lot more cycling as currently the only river crossing options are dire and very unreliable. If you want a guaranteed crossing from Thamesmead to Beckton you have to go via London Bridge first... an absurd journey increase (tower bridge isn't 100% reliable)
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Old March 6th, 2013, 08:54 PM   #71
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although in all fairness i think a cable car ride across that valley would be even better
I suppose in a way that is what the Middlesborough and Newport Transporter Bridges are, Cablecars for Cars.
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Old March 6th, 2013, 09:52 PM   #72
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I agree. Any sensible nation would of used a roll on/off ferry or a cable car. Surely there must be a 100 year old Victorian road tunnel or broken down road system they could of used instead?
You seem to have totally missed my point. Bless.
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Old March 7th, 2013, 12:04 AM   #73
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None of these seem to have taken the Mayor's pet Cycling HobbyHorse onboard though... Tunnels are poorly suited to cycling. The two foot tunnels are awful and very poorly used. a bridge would get more passenger journeys off the road and encourage a lot more cycling as currently the only river crossing options are dire and very unreliable. If you want a guaranteed crossing from Thamesmead to Beckton you have to go via London Bridge first... an absurd journey increase (tower bridge isn't 100% reliable)
A bridge here would most likely be a high bridge though, with long and probably rather steep ramps unsuitable for cycling.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 12:15 AM   #74
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How long have we been calling for this? It was only a matter of time until we reached this stage (again).

New east London Thames bridge to be reconsidered
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Londoners are to be consulted later this year about a possible new River Thames bridge in east London.

The consultation could prompt a U-turn by Mayor Boris Johnson, who cancelled plans for the Thames Gateway Bridge after he was elected in 2008.

A new vehicle ferry service at Gallions Reach, linking Greenwich to Newham, was planned instead.

But an initial public consultation revealed significantly-more people preferred a new bridge or tunnel.

Transport for London (TfL) has now decided to carry out further assessments of the cost, benefits and impact of crossings including bridges both at Gallions Reach and Woolwich, where the current ferry operates.
'Difficult choices'

The idea of a crossing at Gallions Reach - to be built by 2021 - was supported by 71% of respondents, compared to 52% who backed a ferry.

In the event that a ferry was tried first but failed to address transport problems in the area, 72% of people said they would want a bridge or tunnel by 2031.

Under current proposals, the ferry would be moved upstream from Woolwich. However, 22% of people are opposed to a new ferry, compared to 16% who objected to a fixed-crossing by 2021.
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Darren Johnson, Green Party member of the London Assembly, said: "These responses leave the mayor with some difficult choices.

"TfL has spent over £43m on river crossing plans and consultations since 2000 and we have seen no end result."

Mr Johnson added the mayor should "throw his weight behind sustainable forms of transport" rather than build new road links.

The Thames Gateway Bridge, which was intended to open this year at a cost of £500m, was backed by previous mayor Ken Livingstone, and the Labour government.


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So predictable. It should have opened this year as well. Now years more waiting. Well done Boris - cancelling something needed as soon as elected as there was no money apparently, though it would have been tolled thus covering its own costs in time. Plus this kind of project is precisely what is needed when the economy is struggling and construction suffering massive drops in employment and output as has happened.

The conservative run Bexley council still keeps objecting, even though it's the only one doing so, though many people there badly want a crossing north of the river. Thamesmead in the north of the borough is crying out for better links. Bexley council's leader is worried about losing in a close seat near one of the approach roads, and her fear of losing any votes among the local nimbys is holding back the whole of east and south London.

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A new bridge is the only sensible option. A tunnel would probably cost too much, and ferry is just a bizarre option! It would never be adequate.
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So, just before he finishes his eight years as Mayor, Boris can head on his way knowing everyone will remember him for laying the foundations for the Boris Bridge spanning the Thames.

You couldn't make it up.
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So, just before he finishes his eight years as Mayor, Boris can head on his way knowing everyone will remember him for laying the foundations for the Boris Bridge spanning the Thames.

You couldn't make it up.
Looking at the planned timescales is incredible. A Silverlink tunnel would take 9 years to open - 5 before construction even begins. A Thamesmead bridge would open in 2025. A crazily long amount of time.
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Businesses demand Gallions Reach bridge from TfL
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Business leaders have teamed up with MP Jim Fitzpatrick to campaign for more river crossings in east London.

The London Chamber of Commerce wants Mayor Boris Johnson to demand cash from the Government to build the proposed Silvertown Crossing and another at Gallions Reach.

Transport for London has said a tunnel at Silvertown is one of its preferred options.

It also recommended a new ferry to replace the one at Woolwich, with the possibility of another crossing in future years.

However, the chamber's director of policy and public affairs Sean McKee said a fixed link, not a ferry, was the key to economic growth.

"We want to convince Boris Johnson to give a clear commitment to the bridge," he said.

"He's the champion for London and he's got to go to the Government to get funding.

"The is not just important for London, it's for the areas all around it, such as Kent and Essex."

The chamber's east London arm, the Docklands Business Club, is leading the campaign.

Chairman Janette Withey, who commutes from Kent to Canary Wharf, said: "It's a very important issue. And it's dear to my heart as I'm one of those who travel across the river each day. Too many hours are wasted.

"Just this morning there was one accident and one breakdown and we were sitting in traffic for an hour."

The group met with Poplar and Limehouse MP Mr Fitzpatrick in Canary Wharf last week. He said he hoped to raise the issue via an adjournment debate in Parliament.

He said: "East London will be only expanding in the future and we've got to look at more crossings. Two at a minimum. I would accept a ferry but it's not the long-term answer.

"Half of London's population is living east of Tower Bridge so this is a big issue for the area."
* Jim Fitzpatrick is the MP for Poplar and Limehouse.
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The east end doesn't just need a bridge. It needs an icon that it can be proud of... something this big is going to be hard to miss, and it's going to be around for a very long time. Let's have a bit of civic pride.
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