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Old September 23rd, 2012, 06:08 PM   #21
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If this provocative thread was opened again, so...

Dear erbse, when there is a banner of Lviv, some Poles write "Lwow - Polish city" and so on. When you will start to struggle with it?
This isn't the only one on here so I don't get the double standards.

But I agree let's keep civilized. We can't change history here on Skyscrapercity.

Live and let live.
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 06:17 PM   #22
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According to Roman Aftanazy there were around 1500 palaces and mansions in Kresy...

Badeni Palace in Koropets/Koropiec
The Renaissance Revival palace of Count Stanislaw Badeni, built in 1893. Palace is surrounded by a 6-acre park (before WW2, the park had 200 acres).











Potocki Palace in Tulchyn/Tulczyn
Palace of the Potocki family, built according to the principles of Palladian architecture according to the plans drafted by Joseph Lacroix during 1780s. Sometimes it is called "Borderlands Versailles".










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Old September 23rd, 2012, 07:33 PM   #23
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Grocholski Palace in Voronovytsya/Woronowica
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Verkiai/Werki Palace
It was built for bishop Ignacy Jakub Massalski in 1780 by two famous architects, Laurynas Gucevičius/Wawrzyniec Gucewicz and Marcin Knackfus/Marcin Knakfus in the Neoclassical style. The general plan and maintenance buildings were designed by Marcin Knackfus/Marcin Knakfus. The main palace building, the stables and several other buildings were designed by Gucevičius/Gucewicz. The building was called "the Versailles of Vilnius". The palace had a little theatre, large library, and a small gun museum and was surrounded by a park.










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Old September 23rd, 2012, 07:36 PM   #24
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Stop this bullshit.

Neither Palanga, nor Plunge were EVER part of Kresy, Poland or whatever... They are located in Samogitia, a region that was never part of any "Polish republic". Both Oginski and Tyszkiewicz families were Ruthenian, not Polish.

If you're going this way, then you might as well start posting pictures of palaces around Saint Petersburg. That would make about as much sense as what you're doing now.
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 07:52 PM   #25
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Badeni Palace in Koropets/Koropiec



Amazing place! It should be renovated as soon as possible.
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 07:58 PM   #26
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And the name "Borderlands" is a nonsense itself at it was the very heart of Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth and the economic powerhouse (The Ukrainian lands).
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 08:00 PM   #27
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Beautiful region
I love it just as much as my Pomerania. Thanks for the interesting pics RS_UK-PL
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 08:00 PM   #28
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I think it's exactly the thread where we can show "lost Polish heritage", as noone can claim that eg. Vilnius/Wilno is located in ethnic Polish lands, but it had become a city with the ethnic Polish majority since ca. XVIII century, with significant Polish cultural influence.
From the Great Northern war till late 19th century, Jews were the largest ethnic group in Vilnius.

Niasvyzh and Mir castles for example, were built/rebuilt by Mikalojus Kristupas Radvila in the times when Radvilos family was still Lithuanian (unlike the present day fake Radziwills from Ruthenia). The father of Kristupas Radvila, Mikalojus Radvila "the black", was a chancellor and grand Hetman of Grand Duchy of Lithuania, a Calvinist and a patriot, who till his last breath opposed the catholic church and the union with Poland.

And that's just one example.
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 08:06 PM   #29
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Everybody stay calm and just enjoy the pictures from Kresy, please!
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 08:09 PM   #30
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Bialokrynica palace - Zbaraski family estate

http://www.ruinyizamki.pl/kresy/bial...%20obrazy.html
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 08:10 PM   #31
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Zolochiv/Zloczow Castle
The rectangular fort was built in 1634-36 by Jakub Sobieski. The Sobieski castle comprised solid walls in a then current Dutch style, with four pentagonal towers at each corner, and the so-called "grand palace". The Chinese Palace, a diminutive mauve-colored rotunda flanked by one-storey wings, was added later in the century as Jan III's gift to his French-born wife, Marysienka.











Zbarazh/Zbaraz Castle
It was a fortified defense stronghold (palazzo in fortezza) built in 1626. The castle existence has been credited to last members of Zbaraski family undertaking of Krzysztof Zbaraski and Jerzy Zbaraski.











Umyastovskih/Umiastowski Palace in Zemloslaw
Neoclassical palace, modeled on the Lazienki Palace in Warsaw. It was built in 19th century by Wladyslaw and Jozefina Umiastowski.


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Old September 23rd, 2012, 09:25 PM   #32
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Poland had lost eastern territories but with Silesia, Pomerania and Masuria, Poland received a large number of castles, palaces, manors and beautiful towns ( despite the devastation during WW II). + 4 UNESCO World Heritage Sites.

Small comparison:

List of castles in Lithuania - 17
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_in_Lithuania

List of castles in Belarus - 27
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_castles_in_Belarus

List of castles in Ukraine- 61
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_castles_in_Ukraine

List of castles only in Lower Silesia - 61
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szablon...5%9Al%C4%85ska

Ps. All these lists are incomplete but you can see the difference between south-western part of Poland and ca. 875.000 km2 area of LT, BY and UA.
There's nothing to cry about.
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 10:30 PM   #33
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Lviv/Lwow Historic Centre (UNESCO)



Kornyakta Tower, Opera House - are not Polish architecture

BTW, the largest construction company /in Lviv/ owned by ethnic Ukrainian Ivan Lewinsky (1851-1919). The best buildings of the Belle ╔poque in Lviv were built by his company.

P.S. More and more I realize what we will never have a good relations with the Poles.
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 10:48 PM   #35
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Kornyakta Tower, Opera House - are not Polish architecture
Opera House:

- design by Zygmunt Gorgolewski - Polish architect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zygmunt_Gorgolewski

- hydraulic mechanization of the stage was built by the Polish railway workshop company in Sanok

- German Siemens was responsible for assembling the electric lights

- Marble elements were manufactured in Vienna, whereas Belgium provided special linen for painting the foyer.

The internal decoration was prepared by some of the most renowned Polish artists of the time:

Stanisław Wˇjcik sculptures
Juliusz Bełtowski bas-relief of Gorgolewski
Antoni Popiel sculptures

Among the painters to decorate the interior were Tadeusz Popiel (staircases), Stanisław Rejchan (main hall), Stanisław Dębicki, Stanisław Kaczor-Batowski and Marceli Harasimowicz (foyer). The team supervised by the abovementioned artists included further painters, among them Aleksander Augustynowicz, Ludwik Kohler, Walery Kryciński, Henryk Kuhn, Edward Pietsch, Zygmunt Rozwadowski, Tadeusz Rybkowski and Julian Zuber. The main curtain was decorated by Henryk Siemiradzki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lviv_Th...era_and_Ballet



You're repeating yourself about "we will never have a good relations with the Poles". It's your loss ...

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Old September 23rd, 2012, 11:05 PM   #36
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Lviv Opera House built by Lewinsky construction company.

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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4035/...b69d03f0_b.jpg


sculptures by Petr Wojtowicz (Ukrainian)

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Old September 23rd, 2012, 11:08 PM   #37
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And this shows how multicultural and multinational the Commonwealth was. Kind of that time's Belgium. Seeing it from strictly Polonocentric view and calling Ukrainian lands "Borderlands" is just a little bit primitive.

Calling Lviv strictly Polish or strictly Ukrainian is like calling Brussels as French or Dutch while it's... both.
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P.S. More and more I realize what we will never have a good relations with the Poles.
Let's look at your avatar - shall we ?


Supporters of the Ukrainian nationalist movement rally in downtown Lviv on April 28, 2012 to mark the 68th anniversary of the formation of the Ukrainian Galacian Division of the Waffen SS.
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 11:19 PM   #39
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That's none of your damn business. This symbolism is not prohibited.
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Old September 23rd, 2012, 11:19 PM   #40
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some elements don;t want good relations with anyone. I like how this thread has started with pretty accurate historic background showing respect to all those groups and peoples who contributed. let's face it long before 19th nationalism reared its ugly head, all of Europe was much more multicultural. even the Germans, I believe Odaoaker and erbse or whoever it was, admit how diverse what is now Germany was. As long as we show respect to all those contributors and stop with neofascism or any suggestions of changing borders, there will be never be a problem.

my only request to the moderators is that any neo-fascist symbols be removed as per German and I believe EU law.
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