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Old November 2nd, 2012, 01:42 AM   #41
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Lietuvos architektūros istorija. I tomas
Tai nori pasakyt, kad Kauno katedra ne gotikinė?
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 02:57 AM   #42
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Noriu pasakyti kurio šaltiniu remiuosi, o Kauno katedra turi ir neogotikos bruožų.
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 02:57 AM   #43
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Perkūnas house in Kaunas. XV c.

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Old November 2nd, 2012, 01:49 PM   #44
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Rimtai suklydau, visada galvojau, kad Kauno katedra didžiausia gotikinė bažnyčia
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 03:21 PM   #45
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Rimtai suklydau, visada galvojau, kad Kauno katedra didžiausia gotikinė bažnyčia
Nieko tokio,, čia panašiai, kaip žmonės mano, jog pirmoji barokinė bažnyčia LDK yra Šv. Kazimiero bažnyčia, tačiau tai netiesa, pirmoji pastatyta - Nesvyžiuje.
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 03:33 PM   #46
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Nieko tokio,, čia panašiai, kaip žmonės mano, jog pirmoji barokinė bažnyčia LDK yra Šv. Kazimiero bažnyčia, tačiau tai netiesa, pirmoji pastatyta - Nesvyžiuje.
Bet juk ji pirmoji dabartinėje Lietuvos teritorijoje
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Old November 4th, 2012, 01:41 AM   #47
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Gothic, renaissance elements in Kaunas old town









Kėdainiai

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Cityhall



Evangelical Lutheren church XVII c.



Vilnius oldtown from Bernardinai church
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Old November 5th, 2012, 01:26 PM   #48
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na aš irgi prisidėsiu (Depeched tik idėjas pamačiau ,kad tu jau imetes :/ traku pili)

Trakai island Castle a few more photos







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Old November 6th, 2012, 08:54 PM   #49
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Kaunas cathedral

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Built near former crossroad, on square corner. First time mentioned in 1413. Current church built in XV-XVI-XVII c.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 07:53 PM   #50
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Kaunas Bernardinai (St. George) church and monastery

Built in first years of XVI c near XIII-XV c. castle

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Old November 15th, 2012, 09:08 PM   #51
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Built by Duke Oginski in 1879 its a really magnificent Neo-Renaissance style palace (architect K. Lawrence). It was Oginskiai estate residential palace. 1873-1902 m. mansion had a music school


after reconstruction


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The Tiškevičiai Palace is a Neo-Renaissance style building in Palanga, Lithuania, built for the Tiškevičiai family. The construction was started in 1893 and finished in 1897. The palace is surrounded by a park with ponds, fountains, and collections of rare plants. Since 1963 the palace has housed the Palanga Amber Museum and is surrounded by the Palanga Botanical Garden.








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Old November 15th, 2012, 11:20 PM   #53
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Kaunas St. Gertrūda church
Small gothic church built near important Vilnius road in oustkirts. First time mentioned in 1503.


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Old November 16th, 2012, 03:56 AM   #54
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Something that really calls my attention and deserves recognition is how the builders/masons/architects/designers worked with very irregular floor plans to create highly symmetrical spaces. I find it really beautiful how they worked with the old floor plan to create something as beautiful as we can see today.
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Tiškevičiai english neogothic style palace built in1861-1869 m. (architect G. von mine), reconstructed in 1899. by Belgian architect de Vegas and architect T. Rostvorovskis project;





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Because im lithuanian and this is Lithuania i use lithuanian wiki.
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The Tyszkiewicz family was a wealthy and influential Polish-Lithuanian magnate family of Ruthenian origin, with roots traced to the times of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.

So yeah i will call them Tiškevičiai and i dont really care what you think about this
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The Tyszkiewicz family was a wealthy and influential Polish-Lithuanian magnate family of Ruthenian origin, with roots traced to the times of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
That is true. Additional questions for you:
1/ which modern/contemporary countries claim the heritage of GDL?
2/ which modern country have most of the descendants of e.g. Tyszkiewicz family (as well as other GDL magnate families) been living in?

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So yeah i will call them Tiškevičiai and i dont really care what you think about this
Good luck then, but apart from being pathetic, such lithuanization of names is disrespectful for that family and your country's history.
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Good luck then, but apart from being pathetic, such lithuanization of names is disrespectful for that family and your country's history.
Katsuma, are we running around after you demanding to call Jagiello - Jogaila? No? then please leave us alone. We call our magnates as we did for hundreds of years.

By the way - the late Alfred Maria Tyszkiewicz (if you so like it) spoke fluent Lithuanian and did not mind being addressed as Tiškevičius at all.
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Katsuma, are we running around after you demanding to call Jagiello - Jogaila? No? then please leave us alone.
I'm afraid your example would rather prove my point. We call him Jagiełło in Polish, however if you look e.g. at the English Wikipedia, he is up as "Jogaila, later Władysław Jagiełło", which is fair enough and we don't have an issue with that.

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We call our magnates as we did for hundreds of years.
Sorry, but it doesn't matter how you called them, what matters is how they called themselves. And as I said before, since you are in the English-speaking forum, you should use their names in the true, internationally recognised version.

Apart from encyclopedic sources and Wikipedia, a good way to check & confirm that is to look at the magnates' graves & epitaphs, which are located in present-day Lithuania.

(1) Epitaph in Latin & Polish on the tomb of Teodor Ogiński in Kruonis/Kronie: http://s10.postimage.org/k9afzttqf/ifprs61651.jpg

...and its translation into Lithuanian: http://s14.postimage.org/zb251brkv/in03sf1649.jpg

(2) Epitaph of Jerzy Tyszkiewicz in the Vilnius Cathedral: http://fotoforum.gazeta.pl/photo/1/q...w5eZaBXdMX.jpg

(3) Grave of Eustachy Tyszkiewicz on the Rasos/Rossa Cemetary: http://s10.postimage.org/xxsqqc2br/R...yszkiewicz.jpg

(4) Grave of Mikołaj Tyszkiewicz in Kretinga/Kretynga: http://www.genealogia.okiem.pl/foto2...GP4164%7E0.JPG

(5) Sarcophagi of Radziwiłł family in the crypt in Kedainai/Kiejdany, including the one of Janusz Radziwiłł:
http://i3.fmix.pl/fmi2017/3abea11700290b7b4df1e4d2 , http://i2.fmix.pl/fmi765/89bdac910027ab334ded115d , http://i1.fmix.pl/fmi79/133af5000011561f4df1e4c3

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By the way - the late Alfred Maria Tyszkiewicz (if you so like it) spoke fluent Lithuanian and did not mind being addressed as Tiškevičius at all.
He may have also spoken Lithuanian, I don't know. Similarily, there would've been some Polish nobles living in the territory of present-day Belarus, who spoke Belarusian. Even so, does is change anything in what I said? Overall, in late 19th/ early 20th cent. there seemed to be kind of a fashion among Polish nobility to start looking at local villagers/peasants as an allegedly "healthy" tissue of the nation; see e.g. The Wedding (drama) by Stanisław Wyspiański.

Summarising the above discussion, I may only appeal to you & your colleagues:
(a) to respect your history and the fact that heritage of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania can be claimed by contemporary Lithuania, Belarus and Poland,
(b) to take into account that the names of people from your history should be presented on an English-speaking forum in such version, as they used themselves.

Those conditions seem quite simple to fulfil (at least to me) and would save us from future discussions of similar kind.

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