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Old December 12th, 2012, 09:05 PM   #141
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Bravo Konstantinas Širvydas I wanted to post Pažaislis, but you were quicker..

a bit of church interior

http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pa%C5%BEaislio_vienuolynas

interior 3D panorama http://www.panoramas.lt/m_katalog.php?p_id=183&lg=2

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Old December 12th, 2012, 09:44 PM   #142
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"But are there 200 000 today? "

So why Lithuanians are voting in favour of Electoral Action of Poles in Lithuania, which received 5.83% of votes, 8 seats in the Seimas at the 2012 election?
You probably meant Electoral action of Poles
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Russian Alliance and Lithuanian Russian Union, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Russian_Union

I wonder, what language, these partners speak among themselves.
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Old December 12th, 2012, 10:25 PM   #143
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So. We need traditional Old Believers architecture in Lithuania.

Old Believers church at Smilgiai.

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Rimkai Old Believers church under restoration.

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Stalnioniškės Old Believers church.

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Strėvininkai.

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Ukmergė.

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Švenčionys.

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Žemaitėliai.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/74070654

Dūdiškės Old Believers church.

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Panevėžys.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/28800423?tag=church

Old Believers church in Kaunas.

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Old believers Cathedral in Vilnius.

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P.S. RS_UK-PL, take a look at one among many members: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamara_Łochankina
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cztery lata później znalazła się na dziesiątym miejscu listy krajowej Akcji Wyborczej Polaków na Litwie, startując również w nadbałtyckim okręgu jednomandatowym nr 20.
Those Lithuanian Poles.

Kaunas Orthdox church.


Later will show more traditional woden architectre.
Expect something like Lazdininkai mill.
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Old December 12th, 2012, 11:06 PM   #144
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If you say so i believe you...

But what happened with all Lithuanians after WW2? Why Lithuania is one of the least densely populated countries in Europe? I've never heard about some plagues or ethnic cleansing of Baltic Lithuanians on territories of Lithuania?! For example, Poles and Jews have been victims of genocide in Ponary massacre (the mass-murder of 100,000 people, mostly Jews and Polish intelligentsia), not Lithuanians. Also, almost 250,000 of Poles (still around 200,000 left in today's Lithuania: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poles_in_Lithuania), not Baltic Lithuanians, have been expelled after the war .
I do not want to convince You. I expressed my opinion, that is all. The main problem is that we, lithuanians, do not know about Poles from Poland, and you, Poles, do not know about lithuanians. we think thta we know, but this is not the same. Another problem - Pole in some cases
does not mean the same as in Poland. Catholic equal Pole. Like a synonym. Even during interwar such kind of perception was popular among more religious lithuanians despite the fact that our relationship was bad.

As I know, about more than 100.000 Poles came to Vilnius region during interwar. But at the moment I don't know are these number exact or not.
19 century.
Intereting document. I don not no well polish language, butthe las paragraph state ...
http://dir.icm.edu.pl/pl/Slownik_geograficzny/Tom_XIII/524

Lithuania always was a low density country. And GDL was. Same as Finland. Estonia, Latvia, Belarus, Norway.

Plague:
1. Lithuania Minor-Prussia: wiki < "In 1708, the Kingdom of Prussia was devastated by plague, especially its easternmost part, where Prussian Lithuanians lived. About 50% of Prussian Lithuanians died. To compensate for the loss, King Frederick II of Prussia invited settlers from Salzburg, the Palatinate, and Nassau to repopulate the area. ">

2. Great Northern War plague: 1/3 of present day Lithuania population died.

Emigration: 1988-1914 - ~600.000 lithuanians.

Speaking about 20 cent.:
1. 1940-1941 - x number.
2. 1941-1945 - x number
3. 1945-1952. About 118 000 deportee. and x number of political prisoners. Lithuania were considered to be "dangerous", so under USSRS "law" they were sent to problematic regions of Siberia. For instance, my granfater was sent to Norilsk and sentenced for 25 years (he was 20years old) and after that, it was not allowed him to come to Lithuania.

x number - i do not know exact numbers.
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Old December 12th, 2012, 11:09 PM   #145
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"But are there 200 000 today? "

So why Lithuanians are voting in favour of Electoral Action of Poles in Lithuania, which received 5.83% of votes, 8 seats in the Seimas at the 2012 election?

probably because of that EAOL is not only representive of Poles of Lithuania, but also of Russians and even Lithuanians. another thing - this party is regional. Mostly all members of EAPL which received seats in the Seimas, were members of their own local community.
BTV, one of the EOPL member will be a minister of Energetics. And you know what? No one in Lithuania say that this is verrrrrryyyyyyyyy bad. maybe because he is a good specialist

on the other hand, it seems that Electoral Action of Poles in Lithuania step by step is becoming more serious party that it was used to be and they will get rid of all national signs from they rhehoric. Despite all that "religion subject in schools must be compulsory" (imho, I think you understand that this is really stupid proposal), they understood the main problem - not ethnic, not surnames, but economical. Vilnius region, differently than Vilnius City or other smaller city/region in Lithuania, have big economical-social problems. I hope they will solve it.

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Old December 13th, 2012, 02:26 AM   #146
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Traditionally Lithuania was a land of wind mills. There was a mill in every town, in most of larger villages. Most of them were destroyed in 1940-1990, but a quite a lot of these survived to our days.

Šeduva.

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Near Šiauliai.

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Vištytis town.

vistytis.pulsapiai.lt

Windmill near Radviliškis.

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Stačiūnai village near Radviliškis.

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Obeliai mill.
[IMG]http://i47.************/23tf8k8.jpg[/IMG]
http://www.efoto.lt/nuotrauka/obeliai

Windmill near Druskininkai.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/54646114


http://www.panoramio.com/photo/54646076


http://www.panoramio.com/photo/54661630

Historical mill in Šiauliai city. Now a museum inside, where kids are taught how to bake bread.

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Stultiškis windmill near Panevėžys. This city was historically called wind mill city..

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Kreboniškiai windmill.
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http://www.efoto.lt/nuotrauka/kleboniskiu_vejo_malunas

So, hundreds of mills in Lithuania, only not many good quality pictures of them.
By the way, mills play very important role in Lithuanian culture, traditional songs, folk tales. One of the most impressive creation of Lithuanian literature is epic Baltaragio malūnas/Baltaragis windmill by Kazys Boruta.

Will be some watermills later.
Like these:

Vosbutai watermill near Marijampolė.


Pabudysys watermill.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/36534606
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Old December 13th, 2012, 07:46 AM   #147
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Beautiful pics! Just two words come to my mind: LITTLE POLAND
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Old December 13th, 2012, 10:05 AM   #148
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Those architectures whether it's old or new are really a great work of art. They are impressive and magnificent. I'm inspired to make my design better every time I see this building or architectures made by man.
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Old December 13th, 2012, 12:02 PM   #149
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@Lithuanian forumers

Within this interesting discussion on the identity of contemporary (Baltic) Lithuanians vs. Polonization and the Polish influence, let me paste here a translated part from the article titled 'Myths of Lithuanian nationalism'.

The article is originally in Polish (Google Translate below), but I'd ask you to focus on the contents and merit, rather than the author.

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The identity of the "Lithuanian" revenge for the January Uprising

Losses rise in 1863, ultimately failed in 1864, was the highlight in the life of a quiet strain of Lithuania. What happened to the people who still in 1864 by Lithuanian historian L. Kondratisa able to go to battle with the slogan "busime lenkais Valais! [Poles will be free!] "? People who, along with the nobility was able to gather large numbers in 1861, the manifestation of unity of the Polish lands, which took place on a bridge in Kaunas, where the Niemen distributed puppet "Polish Kingdom" from Lands taken away?

Tsarat, using the age-old principle of divide et impera decided to remove the living mostly Samogitia (where the local Lithuanian nobles also knew) people who were dangerous to begin to identify with Polish. In 1867, the Russian authorities have set up in Marijampole Lithuanian-school, and in 1864 were allowed to open a Lithuanian seminary. She went from there rozagitowana intelligence, including the clergy:
Pavojuj MOTIN-tėvynė;
Audra Ateina iš pietų!
Tai Lenkas, išgama Tautu.
[The danger of home-mother; storm coming from the south! This Pole, degenerate nation.]

He wrote these words, the priest (!) Jonas Mačilus, known widely as Maironis, one of the patriarchs of the so-called "Lithuanian national revival." What they did calm before Lithuanians Poles who we care about preserving their folk traditions, such as whether Orzeszkowa Kraszewski and in a situation where the same Lithuanians in Germany succumbed to the Germanization of Prussia? How much money seemed carat on their so-called agents. "Lithuanian national rebirth" and how high his agents got there? "By their fruits ye shall know them" - and the fruits were really generous, because a small (200-300 thousand people), until recently ethnos became fierce believer in not only an ideology that in spite of all the historical facts zawłaszczała the entire tradition of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, including the name, but also managed to generate unprecedented even for young chauvinistic nationalism, whose blade was directed into the known side.

On the occasion of the Lithuanian language standardization made - the written after years of its existence only among the common people (excluding issued by the Poles and Germans books in that language). Disposed of course, the words of Polish origin (in return, a number of neologisms that came up on their own Jablonskis Jonas), and at the beginning of the twentieth century removed unilaterally associated with the Polish digraphs "sh" and "parts" replaced with the letters "S" and "č", which is taken from ... Czech. The words "Patriarch of the Lithuanian revival of" Jonas Basanoviciusa abundantly explain how he was inspired by this movement:

"The interests of present Lithuanians as a nation have nothing to do with the Polish patriotic dreams. Only the land of Lithuanian and indivisible relationship with the powerful Russian state is possible rebirth of Lithuania and its further development. "

Do you ever wonder can anyone the fact that the words were published in 1883 in the pages showing the St. Petersburg newspaper "Novoye Wremja"?

In this way an ideological project, which was a Lithuanian national identity, he could begin to claim the right to be the natural result of a historical process and claim someone else's expense.
Can you comment on that?

PS. The translation is certainly imperfect, so if you want to read the source text in Polish, here is the link: http://polskamlodziezwilna.blogspot....jonalizmu.html

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Please, do not ruin the thread.
But it's you who started the whole topic again, isn't it?
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Old December 13th, 2012, 02:41 PM   #150
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Beautiful pics! Just two words come to my mind: LITTLE POLAND
As I see , you're man who really like trolling.
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Old December 13th, 2012, 02:45 PM   #151
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Ja.centy, don't become upset, but I didn't understand your text. Is it some Polish fairy tale? Something like Koziolek Matolek, I guess?

No, seriously, could you please tell the main idea of what you just posted?
And who is the author of this text? Some polish dziennikarz, I guess? Or some Australian Polish historian, sentenced to jail because of Antisemitizm, who too writes articles on how to invade Ukraine, no?

Yet I wonder what drives You and Your club into personal vendetta against Lithuania? Or this internet crusade is not only against Lithuania? And what about Dublin?

Jose Valderama, Lithuania is as Little Poland as Poland is Little Russia or Holland, Austria, Switzerland are Little Germanys.
Lithuania is Lithuania, Poland is Poland, Russia is Russia, Austria is Austria.
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Old December 13th, 2012, 03:52 PM   #152
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Some photos of poor Lithuanian towns as we have short time-out before the next period of Polish internet offensive.

Švėkšna church. Population of the town - 1500 inhabitants.

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This church was designed by Karl Eduard Strandmann in 1905.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/3630123286/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/3629329973/

Flying buttresses.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/3630137380/

A hundred years old viaduct to the park.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/3630165136/

Counts Plateriai graves.

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Sculpture in the town.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/3629315557/

Inside the church. Be afraid.

1) General view on interiors: http://www.efoto.lt/node/600255

2) http://www.grumlinas.lt/wp-content/g...2_IMGP3972.jpg

3) http://www.grumlinas.lt/wp-content/g...4_IMGP3970.jpg

4) http://www.grumlinas.lt/wp-content/g...a/IMGP3964.jpg

More is here: http://www.grumlinas.lt/?p=17927

This neo-Gothic mania swept across Lithuania in the years 1904-1914. This decade left such cathedrals literally in every larger village across Lithuania.
We, Lithuania, will show more of these later.

Oh, forget to mention, that this town also have tiny old town with historical square and a palace in the park. Now, if no one objects, Continue with my poor Lithuania.

Square.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/3629372863/

Gates of the palace.
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Sun clock.
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Bark, bark.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/3629459189/

Expect more of a poor Lithuania later. Have a nice day/evening/morning.
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Old December 13th, 2012, 04:12 PM   #153
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Beautiful pics! Just two words come to my mind: LITTLE POLAND
Please stop.

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Ja.centy, don't become upset, but I didn't understand your text. Is it some Polish fairy tale? Something like Koziolek Matolek, I guess?

No, seriously, could you please tell the main idea of what you just posted?
And who is the author of this text? Some polish dziennikarz, I guess? Or some Australian Polish historian, sentenced to jail because of Antisemitizm, who too writes articles on how to invade Ukraine, no?

Yet I wonder what drives You and Your club into personal vendetta against Lithuania? Or this internet crusade is not only against Lithuania? And what about Dublin?

Jose Valderama, Lithuania is as Little Poland as Poland is Little Russia or Holland, Austria, Switzerland are Little Germanys.
Lithuania is Lithuania, Poland is Poland, Russia is Russia, Austria is Austria.
I'm sorry if you treat my post as part of an alleged 'personal vendetta against Lithuania', as it's not intended as such.

I can equally ask, why Lithuanians seem to be trying minimise the influence of Polish culture & Poles in the history of Lithuania?

Certainly, it's understandable from psychological point of view that you would reject such 'accusations' that the creation of modern Lithuanian identity and the rise of Lithuanian nationalism may have been driven & supported by Tsarist Russia, as part of their fight against Polish influence in the former Grand Duchy of Lithuania.

Taking out the most important bits from the quoted article, I'd ask you:

(1) Can you confirm that, as per quoted Lithuanian historian L. Kondratis, Baltic Lithuanian folk supported the January Uprising against Russia by saying 'busime lenkais valais!' (We shall be free Poles!)?

(2) Can you confirm that shortly after the January Uprising failed in 1864, Russian authorities allowed to open a Lithuanian clergy seminar and a Lithuanian secondary school (gymnasium) in Mariampole?

(3) Can you confirm that one of the 'fathers' of Lithuanian National Revival in XIX cent., Jonas Basanovicius, made the following statement: 'The interests of contemporary Lithuanians as a nation have nothing in common with Polish patriotic dreams. Only on the Lithuanian soil and in the inseparable connection with mighty Russian state it is possible for Lithuania to be re-born and develop'?

(4) Can you confirm that the above statement was published in 1883 in a Russian newspaper 'Novoye Vremia'?

Again, it is not my intent to attack you, but rather to show you that 'things may not be always what they seem'...

Also, I shall repeat: please don't accuse the Poles of 'ruining' this thread (at least recently), because it's you who started the whole topic again.
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Old December 13th, 2012, 07:06 PM   #154
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the influence of Polish culture & Poles in the history of Lithuania?
Influence? And what about Italian, Jewish, German, Belarussian, Ukrainian, Russian, Swedish, French, Hungarian, Tartar influence on Lithuania? Should we too mention in EVERY post of EVERY thread, that there was an influence on Lithuania of particularly Italian, Jewish, German, Belarussian, Ukrainian, Russian, Swedish, French, etc., influence or obey these and mention only Polish?

It is interesting to hear your opinion, was there ANY Lithuanian influence on the history and culture of Lithuania?

And please, be so kind, do not ignore Lithuanian influence on Poland and do not forget to write not only Polish adaptations, but original names like Barbora Radvilaitė, Kazimieras Gediminaitis, Žygimantas Augustas, also not only Piotr Skarga, but also Petras Skarga, and others as Mikalojus Husovianas, Andrius Pranciškus Modrevijus not only this was an UNION of EQUAL countries, after all, wasn't it? Why I see only Polish adaptations around the internet?

By the way, could you please translate what is written there?
http://www.maironiomuziejus.lt/publi...6b538039979e02
Is it some sort of Lithuanian peasant influence on Poland? Some Or maybe it was Basanavičius rebelion against the Poles in 1859 right 8 years after he was born? Was it, quote: /a small (200-300 thousand people), until recently ethnos/ attack on Poland, its culture? Maybe occupation of Seinai and Suvalkai? What is it, how do you think?

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Certainly, it's understandable from psychological point of view that you would reject such 'accusations' that the creation of modern Lithuanian identity and the rise of Lithuanian nationalism may have been driven & supported by Tsarist Russia, as part of their fight against Polish influence in the former Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
1) Thousand of Lithuanian language books, printed in Vilnius from 1595 to 1914; among these, first Lithuanian grammars, Bibles, etc.; creators of these was Stanislovas from Eišiškės, Aleksandras from Rodūnia, Venclovas Mikolojaitis from Maišiagala (be sure to check where these places are on the map) and many others. What is more, these books were writen in Aukstaitian dialect, Vilnian sub-dialect, what is alive even today in villages like Adutiškis, Dieveniškės, Gervėčiai, Balatna, Žirmūnai, Marijampolis, Poškonys, Anykščiai, Dūkštas, etc. (don't forget to check these on the map).
2) Lithuanian language Masses in Vilnius in 14-18th centuries;
3) A decree by king Aleksandras of 1501, that states, Lithuanian language Masses must be held in 34 churches of Vilnian episcopate. This covered also not part of contemporary Lithuania, but also nice cities like Suvalkai, Balstogė. Some churches where by the decree Lithuanian Masses must be held: Goniondzas, Dolistovas, Tyščėnai, Slanimas, Belica, Kaidanava and many others.
Nice, huh?
4) And a statute of Vilnian episcopate from 1528. There is a passage about the local episcopal schools. An extract of it: to explain Evangely to the kids... both equal in Lithuanian, as in Polish language.
5) An extract from Vilnius Willkür (statute of the city), published in 1551 11 18: an invitation to the curt for a person must be issued and added t the Court Books and the verdict must be announced, cite: po polsku i po litewsku, i po rusku, aby wszyscy, ktorzy by słuchali, rozumieli.
6,7,8,100 000,...)...

Was this all too modern Lithuanian identity and Nationalism, created by Basanavičius, right? From a microscope ethnos of some thousand Baltic pagans from the wild forests, right?

By the way, could you please translate what a word, used by Radvila in his letter to his nephew inkurtuwiny means in Polish? And woman names, created by Mickevičius - Gražina, Živilė? They mean something, right?
And what a word of 16th century document from Vitebsk voivodeship zhibintay means?
And Lizdeika? Is it some Polish name, word?
And so on, my friend.

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(1) Can you confirm that, as per quoted Lithuanian historian L. Kondratis, Baltic Lithuanian folk supported the January Uprising against Russia by saying 'busime lenkais valais!' (We shall be free Poles!)?
So būsime lenkais valais was their Polish slogan, screamed in Polish for Mother Poland with Imperial capital Varšuva?
Could You please be so kind to translate everyone the part ...Abiejų Tautų.., mentioned in these Baltic Lithuanian folk Lithuanian documents?

Could you translate this?
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Giesme
Diewe kurs musu Karaliste szwenta
Per iłgus amżius apiekoj turejej
Kurs Ja użłajkiéj twirta sawo ranka
Sunkieme wargie gialbetie norejéj.
Priesz ta Ałtoriu szaukiem per małone.
Tewiszkia musu sugrażink mums Pone.
Ne senéj mumis ateméj walnasty
O kraujo musu płaukie upe czysta
Kaj sunku ira newaloj paprasty
Kuriems Tewyszke niekad ne sugriszta.
Priesz ta Ałtoriu ir t. t.
Tu Diewe paskuj ant mus zwiĺkterejej
Uż wiera szwenta Lankus pabudynaj
Ir wysam swietuj parodit norejéj
Kad ir warguose garbia Ju auksztynaj.
Priesz ta Ałtoriu ir t. t.
Sugrażink mumis senowes twirtibe
Duok gausus wajsius małoningas Tewe.
Duok zgada wysiems mejle ir wienibe
Piarstok korotie użrustintas Diewe.
Priesz ta Ałtoriu ir t. t.
O Diewe kurio deszyne tejsynga
Plieninius ginkłus łaużo ir trupina
Łauszk neprietelus, mace stebuklinga
Duok mums sułauktie szcziesliwa adina.
Priesz ta Ałtoriu ir t. t.
Diewe szwencziausies per stebukłus Tawo
Attoling nuog mus wajnas ir korones
Łajkik wienibe kajp Aniołus sawo
Wienoj karunoj kataliku żmones.
Priesz ta Ałtoriu ir t. t.
Diewe szwencziauses jog isz Tawo walos
Buwymas swieto ir szczestys paejna
Isztrauk isz sunkios tyronu newalos
Duok mums styprybia duokie ir atmajna.
Priesz ta Ałtoriu ir t. t.
Wiens Tawo żodys gał pabudint żmones
Isz dulkiu żemes ir użłajkit swejkus
Jéj użsłużijom ant Tawo korones
Korok mus Pone bet kajp Tewas wejkus.

Uż wiera szwenta Lankus pabudynaj

Could You somehow translate why here wiera szwenta/sacred RELIGION is messed with the word Lankus/Poles? Wanna hint? Are they trying to say Catholic=Pole? Could you explain why these trolling Poles were writing these papers in not so Polish language? Or maybe it IS Polish?

Also, could you please be so kind, to explain what are these three coat of arms of centralized, ethnically Polish state, and what they mean?

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Also, why 1863, why not 1794? Could you please translate what is written there, in this original text of the 1794 uprising?
http://lietuvos.istorija.net/lituanistica/1794b1.jpg
Was the author stupid, or deliberately trying to please those future Tsarist authorities after 100 years, or was he just trolling, writing, citation: Polish AND Lithuanian army?

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(2) Can you confirm that shortly after the January Uprising failed in 1864, Russian authorities allowed to open a Lithuanian clergy seminar and a Lithuanian secondary school (gymnasium) in Mariampole?
Dude, seriously, are U nuts? Tsarist authorities BANNED Lithuanian language and culture after the uprising for 40 years. Closed all the Lithuanian schools, banned press, forbade to Lithuanian intelligent to work in Lithuania (were sent to Russia). So this was the tactics of Russians on how to create Lithuanians from genuine Poles, right, banning everything that was Lithuanian? And the Shnobel prise goes to... Ja.centy!!! Applause.

Now more seriously. Could you please google and later tell all, where these people, who studied at Marijampolė or hanging out somewhere in Suvalkai, were born: Aleksandras Kučiūnas, Juozas Naruševičius, Juozas Montvila, Povilas Stakauskas, Pranas Gavėnas, Vytautas Kairiūkštis, Ona Dokalskaitė, Jurgis Krikščiūnas, Petras Dapkus, Kostas Cibulskas. Where they kind of Samogitians?
And what is this long list? http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seinų_k...esni_klierikai

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(3) Can you confirm that one of the 'fathers' of Lithuanian National Revival in XIX cent., Jonas Basanovicius, made the following statement: 'The interests of contemporary Lithuanians as a nation have nothing in common with Polish patriotic dreams. Only on the Lithuanian soil and in the inseparable connection with mighty Russian state it is possible for Lithuania to be re-born and develop'?
Russian state? What you smoke? I want that stuff too, really.
BTW, wasn't this Pilsudskis' statement, actually?

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(4) Can you confirm that the above statement was published in 1883 in a Russian newspaper 'Novoye Vremia'?
Also, I shall repeat: please don't accuse the Poles of 'ruining' this thread (at least recently), because it's you who started the whole topic again.
Really, Novoe Vremia? What is it? Wasn't this posted in Kalendorius arba Metskaitlius in Vilnius, year 1856, actually?
The author's name is written in Polish, so it was written in Polish and You can read it, right?

Before Poles again will post some Romantic poems on fighting their inner demons, I will show another portion of pictures from Lithuanian villages.
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Old December 13th, 2012, 08:47 PM   #155
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vilniusguide (in the brig), is that you?

Ok, I take your arguments into account, but wouldn't have much to respond apart from the usual Polish nationalistic propaganda.

Anyway, history is written by the victors. The human nature and the ways of dealing by powerful countries with their internal problems & perceived risks haven't changed for ages. And now we are living in the era of economic neo-slavery, whereby the certain groups & elites are becoming richer and the middle & working class getting poorer. I think this division is becoming even more evident in the quasi-colonial countries like Poland or Lithuania.

So, I wish you and your country all the best, because - the same as Poland - you will need that.
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Old December 13th, 2012, 08:50 PM   #156
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Some nice pictures of simple Lithuanian village. This palace was too belonged to Plateriai family.
It is situated only 3 kilometers away from Švėkšna town, in Vilkėnas II village. The population of Vilkėnas II is 4 [four!!!] persons, but there are a conurbation of villages nearby: Užlaukis (pop. 54), Kančaičiai (pop. 55), Gedikai (pop. 35), Vilkėnas (pop. 13), Ilgbrastė (pop. 8), Vilkėnas I (93) villages. What would you expect from megalopolis of ~300 inhabitants?

Here it is.






Under restoration.


Will retain its grace soon.



This was poor Lithuania, as our friend have mentioned.

Pictures belong to http://www.garbacauskas.lt and are his property. Do not forget to visit this site of a great man.

By the way, short story about the owners Plateriai of this manor.
Adomas Alfredas Pliateris

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Archeologian, cultural figure, warm Lithuanian patriot. Was objecting building of the Orthodox church and smuggling Lithuanian language books during the press ban and know Samogitian dialect off Lithuanian language himself. Builder of Švėkšna church together with his brother. A father of Marijonas Pliateris. Housed a huge collection of 2500 books in Švėkšna and Vilkėnas with such Lithuanian language diamonds like „Darbai senųjų lietuvių ir žemaičių“ by Daukantas, Postilė by Mikalojus Daukša. These were brought to Vepriai in 1924 and now belong to the library of the University of Vilnius.

Aleksandras Pliateris. The owner of Vilkėnas palace. Was working as a teacher of geography, biology and society studies in Švėkšna school, that was built in 1928.

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Contemporary view.

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One of the founders of patriotic Lithuanian scout organization.
In 1938 issued a book „Teisiniai Livonijos ir Kuršo santykiai su Lietuva (XVI-XVIII a.)“.
After the war Aleksandras escaped to the U.S.A. where he finished studies. His final work was about Lithuanian refugees in the USA. Was a head of the Lithuanian professors Union in the USA for some time. From 1964 the president of Lithuanistic institute in the USA. Was participating in the Lithuanian press of the USA, newspapaers: „Teisė“, „Naujoji Romuva“, „Skautybė“, „Skautų aidas“. White many entries for the Lithuanian Encyclopaedia.
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And now we are living in the era of economic neo-slavery, whereby the certain groups & elites are becoming richer and the middle & working class getting poorer. I think this division is becoming even more evident in the quasi-colonial countries like Poland or Lithuania.
Is it time to start organizing another Uprising?

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P.S. A memorial plate in Vilnius.

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P.P.S. What is vilniusguide? I googled some site on abandoned buildings of Vilnius and some Polish guide in Vilnius.

P.P.P.S. Žemaitukai horses near Alytus. And a windmill of traditional local architecture.

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http://www.lietuvos.org/istorija/186...kavalerija.jpg
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Really beautiful photo (Pažaislis)

http://proteus.private.lt/author/proteus/

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Old December 13th, 2012, 11:32 PM   #159
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Is it time to start organizing another Uprising?

http://mkp.emokykla.lt/gimtoji/pics/...04t02k_il2.jpg
I don't mind Lithuania showing the way for the oppressed CEE countries.

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P.P.S. What is vilniusguide? I googled some site on abandoned buildings of Vilnius and some Polish guide in Vilnius.
Welcome back 'vilniusguide' (don't worry, I won't tell anyone). How are you keeping anyway?
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Again, nice picture as usually, Kaspis.
Ja.centy, what? Don't get this joke, or comparison or consider, conspiracy,.

I already mentioned neo-Gothic mania of 1904-1914, but there were also Neo-Romanesque mania at the same time.
So, these villages, that do not have neo-Gothic churches, then so be Neo-Romanesque ones!

Sintautai. A poor village of circa 500 inhabitants.

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Central square, traditional wooden house.
[IMG]http://i47.************/4r6z6a.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i49.************/2cxaglg.jpg[/IMG]

And more:
http://www.efoto.lt/nuotrauka/sintautai

We need Rietavas (pop. ~2000) church and town views here. Kaspis?
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