UAE(DUBAI) - Israel Friendship

[dxb2012]

Salaam/Shalom . we all know that uae and israel dont have diplomatic relation but there are people in uae who want to have relation with israel.

i have been in usa for 3 years and i met many Israeli people who share a lot with us as emarates . uae have a relation with iran which is consider threaten to uae so why we cant have relation with israel . israel and uae both have high GDP per capital in middle east . a good relation can bring good benefit to both side . when trade grow between two nation peace come easily .

are there people in israel who want to have relation with uae ?

what is the challenge in peace progress between us ?

do you think Israeli–Palestinian conflict should effect us ?

[elab]

My opinion is:
1. Yes, the most of Israelis want to have good relations with UAE and entire Arabic nations.
2. Main issues are: Palestinian problem and Jerusalem Holy city domination.
3. No. It is possible to have effective relations and cooperation having Israeli-Palestinian problem "in background".

[Kappa21]

I like having relations with the UAE. Nice country.
One of the problems is having relations with an arab country that doesnt border you or have not been engaged in war with you. There are 22 arab countries in the world, and only 6-7 of em have been in war with Israel..the rest signed a sort of amendment in an arab conference to not have relations with Israel.

When we made peace in 1979 and 1994 we started getting more contacts with not only the countries we made peace with but other nations as well like Morroco, Qatar, Mauritius and Oman just to name a few....

UAE and Kuwait are a good examples of countries in the Arabian Gulf that can persue relations with Israel.

Kuwait for example was invaded by Iraq, which was is an enemy of Israel. They were supported by the Palestinians who were also enemies with Israel. Kuwait still didnt make relations because they were alligned heavily with Syria, so they opted out...even though most Kuwaitis are Pro-American and friendly towards the U.S.A for what they did.

UAE didnt have any invasions, but they do want to make UAE an international hot spot and invite everyone. Many Israelis feel that since there is no diplomacy we cant and its really hurting the image of UAE in some cases when football players, invited by UAE cannot participate in sports because they have Israel on their passport or are Israeli...
It just shatters that International image of UAE in my opinion.....

but none the less, most Israelis dont have any hesitation against UAE. Nice, friendly country in my opinion...

[LarryKing]

Who said there is no trade?
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=170057

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...4#.UGJoiFFnAYI

[02]

Originally Posted by dxb2012

are there people in israel who want to have relation with uae ?

Salam, I think we want relations with everyone, including the UAE.

what is the challenge in peace progress between us ?

From my perspective, there shouldn't be any challenges to peace. I think that peace can benefit everyone.

do you think Israeli–Palestinian conflict should effect us ?

I don't think it should, but unfortunately it does. Please don't take offense to what I am about to say, but I think that many Arabs view this conflict in nationalistic terms. That is, the Palestinian-Israeli situation represents an attack by Western, non-Muslims on Arabs. I think people are less interested in the suffering of Palestinians, because of this were the case, I think people would have realized that a 2 state solution is the most sensible solution for releiving the Palestinian suffering and for ending this conflict.

My point is not to lecture you or to impose my opinions on you. But I think that so long as people view this conflict as one between nations, cultures, etc., then I think it will be hard for people to recognize the wisdom of striving for peace.

So as long as things remain the same, and this conflict is contextualized as an Arab vs. Israel/West/non-Muslim conflict, then I can't see how the Israel/Palestine conflict won't effect us.

[matrix2020]

I dont think Dubai (and UAE) in general are that much related to Arab world.
Sure they are an Arab country, but in the long run I think Dubai (and to a lesser extent) other Emirates will become "international" city states like Singapore or Hong Kong.
That is also what UAE leadership wants (I think).
So at some point friendship could be possible.
I know for a fact (from personal experience) that there are Israelis making business in Dubai (have been even during the crisis after Mabhouh case).
From what I read, even now there are more westerners and people from far east in Dubai then natives.

[HappyBrandon]

Originally Posted by 02

I think people would have realized that a 2 state solution is the most sensible solution for releiving the Palestinian suffering and for ending this conflict.

My point is not to lecture you or to impose my opinions on you. But I think that so long as people view this conflict as one between nations, cultures, etc., then I think it will be hard for people to recognize the wisdom of striving for peace.

So as long as things remain the same, and this conflict is contextualized as an Arab vs. Israel/West/non-Muslim conflict, then I can't see how the Israel/Palestine conflict won't effect us.

Here is the view from the USA:

1. The so-called "Palestinian suffering" is of the Palestinian Arab making. It is a lot easier to blame Jews than look in the mirror.
2. The "2 state solution" cannot be sensible because there are already 3 Palestinian Arab entities and only 1 Jewish:

a. Jordan under the Hashemite's family subjugation. 75% of its citizens claim the Palestinian Arab origin
b. Hamastan (Gaza) 100% Palestinian Arab. The problem is they are not really clear of their identity. Some say they are more Egyptian than Palestinian.
c. Palestinian areas West of the Jordan river that are encroaching on the historically Jewish lands of Judea and Samaria. From their perspective they own Haifa, Tiberias and Tel Aviv let alone Jerusalem.

3. And as if that is not enough, the Palestinian Arabs own the Southern part of Lebanon/Hezbollastan and 20% of Israel.

4. In addition the Greek Orthodox Church, which in Israel is mostly Palestinian Arab, owns the prime real estate in Israel. The Knesset building is on their land along with the PM residence. They get a check every month. What is not sensible is the Israeli liberalism. There is no country on this planet that would not have exercised eminent domain except Israel.

5. There is liberalism and there is also stupidity. Moshe Dayan gave the keys of the Temple Mount back to the Islamic waqf after winning the 6-day war. Menahem Begin ceded the Sinai to Egypt when Egypt only held the area since 1904 but he kept the densely populated Gaza. (That was not sensible at all). Sharon ceded Gaza and in return got the Hamastani missiles which put 1M Israelis into the bomb shelters. All of them were supposedly right-wingers.

Peace is a beautiful thing but one cannot achieve it with impatience. Trading a tangible asset for a peace of paper and promises makes zero sense and puts the Jewish sovereignty in danger.

What have the Palestinians done for the Gulf states? We know what they did for Kuwait. They applauded the Iraqi invasion. There is a good Arab proverb "a smart enemy is better than a stupid friend" and the rulers of Dubai/Kuwait/UAE understand that their support for Palestinians do not advance their interests but it is hard for them to stand up to Pan-Arabism. The burden is on Israel to develop a strategy that can bring the Gulf states and Israel together. The Palestinian variable that impedes the Dubai/Israel equation (closeness) can and should be neutralized. The Palestinian issue is a separate issue. In addition it is not possible to make peace with those who are not interested in it.

[manrush]

Here's another view from the USA:

Everything that you wrote is pure codswallop.

[Virtuoso]

I remember meeting some israelis at a conference in Dubai, they loved it. Its a middle eastern Miami and Hong Kong rolled into one, so its understandable that it would appeal to them.

[HappyBrandon]

Originally Posted by manrush

Here's another view from the USA:

Everything that you wrote is pure codswallop.

To an anti-Semitic, venomous snake such as yourself it should definitely seem that way. Thanks for your approval.

[HappyBrandon]

Originally Posted by Virtuoso

I remember meeting some israelis at a conference in Dubai, they loved it. Its a middle eastern Miami and Hong Kong rolled into one, so its understandable that it would appeal to them.

Why would Dubai appeal to them?

Wherever I travel around the world I meet Israelis. What attracts them is not a particular place but an intense curiosity and search for knowledge about the world. They are in Nepal and India, Mexico and Australia...and yes, even in Hong Kong and also probably in very, very small numbers in Dubai.

[Kappa21]

To be frank, the Israelis who are in Dubai... I wouldnt really call them...Israelis......
Like they have another passport of some sort.... they were either born in another country - moved to Israel and then moved to Dubai.

Otherwise, its impossible for them to get into Dubai... I dont think theres exception.

I mean, I can think of a handfull of say....Soccer players who were born in South Africa in the 1970s.....they moved to Israel at age 3-4 and lived in Israel all their life..but they are still South African...have passport etc....

[HappyBrandon]

Originally Posted by Kappa21

To be frank, the Israelis who are in Dubai... I wouldnt really call them...Israelis......
Like they have another passport of some sort.... they were either born in another country - moved to Israel and then moved to Dubai.

Otherwise, its impossible for them to get into Dubai... I dont think theres exception.

I mean, I can think of a handfull of say....Soccer players who were born in South Africa in the 1970s.....they moved to Israel at age 3-4 and lived in Israel all their life..but they are still South African...have passport etc....

What is really comical there can be 10 - 20 Jews/10- 20 Israelis in a place and all of a sudden they say there are many Jews/Israelis there. I wish they were correct in their assessment but unfortunately they are not.

[Ynhockey]

I think one reason those Israelis who visit Dubai might like it very much is because of the expectations—even though Dubai has a reputation of being highly developed, what Israelis see of the Arab world are Arab Israelis and Palestinian Arabs—mostly societies with poor development and governance, where because of rampant corruption (both in Israeli Arab municipalities and the Palestinian Authority) no major projects can take off and everything stands still. So because the problems faced by the Israeli Arabs and Palestinians aren't money but poor governance, Israelis might kind of expect even wealthy Arab states to look like that.

Then they go to Dubai and their jaws drop.

[HappyBrandon]

Originally Posted by Ynhockey

I think one reason those Israelis who visit Dubai might like it very much is because of the expectations—even though Dubai has a reputation of being highly developed, what Israelis see of the Arab world are Arab Israelis and Palestinian Arabs—mostly societies with poor development and governance, where because of rampant corruption (both in Israeli Arab municipalities and the Palestinian Authority) no major projects can take off and everything stands still. So because the problems faced by the Israeli Arabs and Palestinians aren't money but poor governance, Israelis might kind of expect even wealthy Arab states to look like that.

Then they go to Dubai and their jaws drop.

Sorry to bust your bubble but your expectation about Dubai is based on 1001 Arabian Nights rather than reality. Is there one university/research center in Dubai that produces the Nobel Prize winners? How about the irrigation techniques? What is the average life expectancy in Dubai? It is #4 in Israel. Can you name a top-rated hospital in Dubai that besides a name affiliation has the Harvard or Stanford graduates.

Nice shopping centers, skyscrapers and 4-5 slaves per local household is nice to have but it does not make a country special.

[Ynhockey]

I think you missed the point.

[HappyBrandon]

Originally Posted by Ynhockey

I think you missed the point.

Probably, however what glitters is not always gold. It can be plastic.

[Urban Legend]

I don't believe that there are too many Israelis who travel to Dubai just for a vacation. All of them are businessmen. Most of them Israeli-Arabs.

[Kappa21]

your assuming....

they dont use their Israeli passport...
infact... if I wanted to...i can travel to Cyprus and go to Lebanon now........ and so can u

[Urban Legend]

Originally Posted by Kappa21

your assuming....

they dont use their Israeli passport...
infact... if I wanted to...i can travel to Cyprus and go to Lebanon now........ and so can u

Not yet. I don't have russian passport yet. I just sumbited a request.