GES | General Santos International Airport

[Sky Harbor]

Originally Posted by kalbongdad

i have to disagree... ang dia is an international airport....ang gensan...international standard pa lang....that is why wla pang direct flights from outside the country....

Merpati Nusantara Airlines once flew to GenSan from Manado but discontinued the flights after one month due to poor demand. PAL was supposed to bring GenSan international but was unable to do so due to the Asian financial crisis.

[chevy_boy]

Originally Posted by kalbongdad

i have to disagree... ang dia is an international airport....ang gensan...international standard pa lang....that is why wla pang direct flights from outside the country....

An Airport can be an International airport though it's not of international standard just like how Davao airport was before the expansion... Right now, bot airport are of international standard just that GenSan Airport is much bigger when it comes to the area and the GenSan Airport runway is longer than the Davao Airport....

[xzibit31]

Originally Posted by chevy_boy

An Airport can be an International airport though it's not of international standard just like how Davao airport was before the expansion... Right now, bot airport are of international standard just that GenSan Airport is much bigger when it comes to the area and the GenSan Airport runway is longer than the Davao Airport....

but that does not mean that ges is an international airport already. its just an alternate international airport. meaning there are no direct international flights operating from that airport. davao is now classified as an international airport because it has direct international flights.

[habagatcentral1]

Why don't we make things simpler? GES is categorized International as per CAAP, no more no less...no wonder FAA downgraded us.

[chevy_boy]

Originally Posted by xzibit31

but that does not mean that ges is an international airport already. its just an alternate international airport. meaning there are no direct international flights operating from that airport. davao is now classified as an international airport because it has direct international flights.

Alternate International Airport or International Airport, GES is still much bigger than Davao... The traffic may not be there yet, but when it comes, GenSan Airport can easily embrace it with the space available for massive expansion...

[xzibit31]

Originally Posted by chevy_boy

Alternate International Airport or International Airport, GES is still much bigger than Davao... The traffic may not be there yet, but when it comes, GenSan Airport can easily embrace it with the space available for massive expansion...

am i refuting that fact? i guess not.......

and yes when the traffic does come to GES(to the level that davao has today), in i guess 20 years,the present DIA would have been saturated already and would have been transferred already to the 2500 hectare government land intended for the future DIA.

[xzibit31]

Originally Posted by habagatcentral1

Why don't we make things simpler? GES is categorized International as per CAAP, no more no less...no wonder FAA downgraded us.

i am wondering why i am agreeing with this....

[chevy_boy]

Originally Posted by xzibit31

am i refuting that fact? i guess not.......

and yes when the traffic does come to GES(to the level that davao has today), in i guess 20 years,the present DIA would have been saturated already and would have been transferred already to the 2500 hectare government land intended for the future DIA.

May be after 20 years, but as of now, General Santos holds the title of having Mindanao's largest airport, the first Airport in Mindanao to welcome the B747-200 and B747-400...

Maybe after 20years, GenSan Airport may already have acquired the surrounding lands and may have a land area of more than 2,500... though how saturated the airport may be in the future, GenSan Airport still has a lot of room for expansion... The Buayan Airportcan also be expanded and be used for domestic flights...

[chevy_boy]

GenSan Airport

[chevy_boy]

B747-400 in GenSan

[xzibit31]

Originally Posted by chevy_boy

May be after 20 years, but as of now, General Santos holds the title of having Mindanao's largest airport, the first Airport in Mindanao to welcome the B747-200 and B747-400...

Maybe after 20years, GenSan Airport may already have acquired the surrounding lands and may have a land area of more than 2,500... though how saturated the airport may be in the future, GenSan Airport still has a lot of room for expansion... The Buayan Airportcan also be expanded and be used for domestic flights...

i told you kanina that i am not refuting that GES is larger the DIA. i agree with you on that.

i also agree with you that GES was the first to welcome the 742 and 744.

but GES getting the surrounding lands? i don't think so. passenger statistics dictates that my good friend, and as of now its not looking good.

how many flights does GES have in a given day and compare it to what DIA also have in a given day. did GES already surpass its saturation point? i dont think so. i also think it wont surpass its saturation point in the next 20 years. think about it. i mean its not a sin or wrong to be optimistic about things. but we have to see what is happening now.

DIA is has surpassed its saturation point of 1.2 million passengers per year in its 3rd year of operation. Now this dictates the construction of 4 additional jetways, 2 on the international side and 2 on the domestic side. also the expansion of the present terminal. this construction is going to be online soon and with an addition of a radar system which will become online in 2 years. with the additional jetways the saturation point will be pegged at around 5 million passengers per year.

now back to GES. GES was finished way before DIA was finished. it had a head start( GES opened 1996 and DIA opened 2003; that is a good 7 years head start). yet it has not preformed well.

right now DIA handles almost 30 flights from 3:00 am to 10:00 pm. this is just the scheduled flights. there are countless of special flights that use the DIA in a 24 hr period. how many flights does GES handle in a given day? i guess it doesnt come close to what DIA is presently handling.

even ZIA which, is a smaller airport than GES, handles more flights than GES.

and yes buayan airport cannot be expanded anymore. unless you extend the runway to the sea and demolish the exisitng communities around that airbase.

[Peng Hok]

Bigger in terms of what? We have to be careful in making generalizations so as not to mislead innocent readers.

In terms of total land area, GES could be bigger.

In terms of length of runway, GES could be bigger.

In terms of floor area of the terminal building, DVO could be bigger.

In terms of passenger and cargo volume, DVO could be bigger.

My point is we have to clearly define the criteria we are using in making generalizations.

[xzibit31]

Originally Posted by Peng Hok

Bigger in terms of what? We have to be careful in making generalizations so as not to mislead innocent readers.

In terms of total land area, GES could be bigger.

In terms of length of runway, GES could be bigger.

In terms of floor area of the terminal building, DVO could be bigger.

In terms of passenger and cargo volume, DVO could be bigger.

My point is we have to clearly define the criteria we are using in making generalizations.

korekek!!

[earlat]

[chevy_boy]

Originally Posted by xzibit31

DIA is has surpassed its saturation point of 1.2 million passengers per year in its 3rd year of operation. Now this dictates the construction of 4 additional jetways, 2 on the international side and 2 on the domestic side. also the expansion of the present terminal. this construction is going to be online soon and with an addition of a radar system which will become online in 2 years. with the additional jetways the saturation point will be pegged at around 5 million passengers per year.

Then with the current traffic at Mactan, this means that Mactan needs way more than the proposed 2 additional jetways to support the growing traffic in the airport... let's get real, Davao Airport doesn't need an expansion right now.. Mactan needs it, badly...

[kiretoce]

I find it amusing (and mildly annoying) that you folks are debating CEB and DVO here in the GES thread.

[xzibit31]

Originally Posted by chevy_boy

Then with the current traffic at Mactan, this means that Mactan needs way more than the proposed 2 additional jetways to support the growing traffic in the airport... let's get real, Davao Airport doesn't need an expansion right now.. Mactan needs it, badly...

i know about that mactan. and i know that it already has surpassed its saturation point and it needs the expansion asap.

i guess that you should get real about things. i have never refuted any facts about GES. the only thing i have refuted is GES buying its surrounding lands in 20 years. it may take more than that. with only a handful of flights per day, GES will never expand until GES will equal DIA in the number of flights serviced and the number of passengers arriving and departing.

statisitcs show that in the 3rd quarter, the DIA has services over 1.2 million passengers ( saturation point of davao is 1.2m passengers per year). that is only the 3rd quarter. the fourth will add some more to the number count. let me tell you that in certain times of the day,( and i have experinced this), the international part of the terminal was being used for domestic because sobrang dami na talaga ang passengers and flights that is servicing DIA. DIA also needs the expansion, but mactan needs it also. try to see the statistics, magkalapit lang ang passenger count ng MCIA and DIA.


wake up and get real. this is the last i will post on this subject. why dont you just accept the fact that ganyan talaga ang nagyayari.

[chevy_boy]

Originally Posted by xzibit31

DIA also needs the expansion, but mactan needs it also. try to see the statistics, magkalapit lang ang passenger count ng MCIA and DIA.

I don't think so... Cebu serves way more passengers as compared to Davao... Davao have only cebu pacific and Silk Air operating international flights.

[xzibit31]

Originally Posted by chevy_boy

I don't think so... Cebu serves way more passengers as compared to Davao... Davao have only cebu pacific and Silk Air operating international flights.

just ask the caap for the statistics. i have seen the 2008 stats. so i know what i am talking about.

and we are discussing domestic and international.

and you are moving out of topic. topic here is GES and not DIA and MCIA.

[dabert]

Originally Posted by xzibit31

just ask the caap for the statistics. i have seen the 2008 stats. so i know what i am talking about.

and we are discussing domestic and international.

and you are moving out of topic. topic here is GES and not DIA and MCIA.

OT: (just for statistics' sake)
2007 Statistics from the Air Transportation Office.
(link to the file is already non-existent, must have probably been deleted)

Francisco Bangoy International Airport
Passengers 1,534,264
Aircraft movements 9,316

Mactan-Cebu International Airport
Passengers 3,731,500
Aircraft movements 18,138