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potto · June 20th, 2012, 01:24 PM

it would be ridiculous anyway seeing as St George Tower went through a costly PI too. What would another expensive PI in these supposedly austere times hope to conclude?!

london lad · June 20th, 2012, 01:33 PM

Depends on how much power EH and Westminster still have in these matters.

The Mayor’s office has been broadly supportive of the whole cluster here so it should be rubberstamped without a problem.

There has already been a PI here for the St Georges tower and considering at the time this was a standalone tower and on a site closer to Westminster in these ‘cherished’ views the usual mob scream about its hard to think what basis any new public inquiry would be allowed.

I’m Sure Simon Jenkins is already beavering away on his typewriter busy penning another classic on how London is going to rack and ruin with these gaudy Dubai type towers and how the Mayor ( both old and new) have been hoodwinked by slimy developers. I wonder if he is going to do a piece on the dire new hotel proposed for Minories, directly opposite a World Heritage Site.

siberian dreamer · June 20th, 2012, 07:29 PM

Well that was quicker than I expected! Can't wait to see some newer renders.

R.K.Teck · June 20th, 2012, 07:32 PM

Brilliant news!

Rational Plan · June 20th, 2012, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian dreamer

Well that was quicker than I expected! Can't way to see some newer renders.

Wandsworth seems pretty gung ho about getting this area developed and has actually developed a framework document that has been created in just a couple of years, while most landowners have already submitted plans for approval or at least under active consultation. Hopefully it will gee up Lambeth.

It just remains to be seen about how quickly they start work. Though there are few small sites here I think it helps that it won't be under control of one landowner.

Cat man do · June 21st, 2012, 02:29 AM

Is anyone in Market Towers with long term leases?

I am he · June 21st, 2012, 05:40 PM

Why does the title say 170m and 155m if the plans are 200m and 160m??

Talisker · June 21st, 2012, 07:52 PM

Interesting situation in Paris:

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Originally Posted by Jex7844

The association 'Vivre à La Défense' -which protested against the sale of the Damiers in La Défense as part as the Hermitage Plaza scheme- saw its appeal rejected for good by the Court d'Appel de Paris. In addition to the appeal's dismissal, the Court ordered the association to pay 600 000€ to Hermitage for abusive appeal.

Not sure if this kind of thing would work here to deter the likes of Simon Jenkins.

Langur · June 23rd, 2012, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by I am he

Why does the title say 170m and 155m if the plans are 200m and 160m??

Because our mods are very slow.

cnapan · June 23rd, 2012, 01:44 PM

Hey - Imagine they'd actually built something worth keeping first time around. There would be two benefits:

a) There wouldn't be this vast ecological waste of tearing down a really really vast building and erecting a slightly bigger one in its place.

b) None of us would have had to put up with the present building for the last 30 years.

Fingers crossed the next one is going to be worth keeping in 30 years time. By the renders, it's certainly 'better than before' (That old phrase!)

cnapan · June 23rd, 2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Talisker

Interesting situation in Paris:

Not sure if this kind of thing would work here to deter the likes of Simon Jenkins.

And a good thing too. We don't want a society where people aren't free to speak their mind and campaign to have things be the way they want, do we?

If we do, who decides what we can and can't think or say?

Hooray for everyone who speaks their minds. Even people I don't agree with!

I am he · August 22nd, 2012, 03:56 PM

Let me get this straight, it this 200m or 170m??

MatthewGen · August 23rd, 2012, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by I am he

Let me get this straight, it this 200m or 170m??

Both. I believe this development is two towers, the tallest at 200m and the second 170m.

chest · August 23rd, 2012, 11:47 AM

todays ES

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...r-8075887.html

derekhales · August 23rd, 2012, 12:28 PM

Ah I see old Bar-Humbug HillBilly is squarking again. Predictable.

potto · August 23rd, 2012, 01:17 PM

"mini manhatten"

god its all so depressingly predictable and pathetic!

and what views of the river will this spoil?!?

Coming back to Cnapan and the comments about fining for abusive appeal, sure people should be able to protest against something for free but for reasons that actually exist surely?

Core Rising · August 23rd, 2012, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by chest

todays ES

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...r-8075887.html

There needs to be a separate thread for those towers since they aren't part of the Market Tower redevelopment.

DeFiBkIlLeR · August 23rd, 2012, 02:25 PM

"“This is appalling. Planning permission was granted by Mr Pickles, a Yorkshireman"

Yeah, it was absolutely required that everyone know he's not 'from these parts'...good job he isn't black as well.

scalatrava89 · August 23rd, 2012, 08:57 PM

"castles in the sky", I like that.

No wonder their appeal wasn't granted, 'blot out more of the sky and river' is such a weak argument.

bobdobbs · August 24th, 2012, 12:45 AM

the article never mentions a 200m tower.. where did that figure come from? was it a knowlingly over inflated height so they could reduce following objections? Also I count more than 41 floors on one of the renders. confused face

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June 20th, 2012, 01:24 PM	#61
potto Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 13,515 Likes (Received): 258	it would be ridiculous anyway seeing as St George Tower went through a costly PI too. What would another expensive PI in these supposedly austere times hope to conclude?!

June 20th, 2012, 01:33 PM	#62
london lad Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London Posts: 8,156 Likes (Received): 45	Depends on how much power EH and Westminster still have in these matters. The Mayor’s office has been broadly supportive of the whole cluster here so it should be rubberstamped without a problem. There has already been a PI here for the St Georges tower and considering at the time this was a standalone tower and on a site closer to Westminster in these ‘cherished’ views the usual mob scream about its hard to think what basis any new public inquiry would be allowed. I’m Sure Simon Jenkins is already beavering away on his typewriter busy penning another classic on how London is going to rack and ruin with these gaudy Dubai type towers and how the Mayor ( both old and new) have been hoodwinked by slimy developers. I wonder if he is going to do a piece on the dire new hotel proposed for Minories, directly opposite a World Heritage Site.

June 21st, 2012, 02:29 AM	#66
Cat man do Founder of the 'Gy'. Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Carrbridge/Highlands Posts: 2,058 Likes (Received): 38	Is anyone in Market Towers with long term leases?

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I am he Registered User Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: London of course Posts: 221 Likes (Received): 0	Why does the title say 170m and 155m if the plans are 200m and 160m??

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cnapan Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 853 Likes (Received): 108	Hey - Imagine they'd actually built something worth keeping first time around. There would be two benefits: a) There wouldn't be this vast ecological waste of tearing down a really really vast building and erecting a slightly bigger one in its place. b) None of us would have had to put up with the present building for the last 30 years. Fingers crossed the next one is going to be worth keeping in 30 years time. By the renders, it's certainly 'better than before' (That old phrase!)

August 22nd, 2012, 03:56 PM	#72
I am he Registered User Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: London of course Posts: 221 Likes (Received): 0	Let me get this straight, it this 200m or 170m??

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derekhales Sir Derek "Killer" Hales Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Exiled from South East London Posts: 123 Likes (Received): 7	Ah I see old Bar-Humbug HillBilly is squarking again. Predictable.

August 23rd, 2012, 01:17 PM	#76
potto Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 13,515 Likes (Received): 258	"mini manhatten" god its all so depressingly predictable and pathetic! and what views of the river will this spoil?!? Coming back to Cnapan and the comments about fining for abusive appeal, sure people should be able to protest against something for free but for reasons that actually exist surely?

August 23rd, 2012, 08:57 PM	#79
scalatrava89 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: North Wales, London Posts: 1,454 Likes (Received): 7	"castles in the sky", I like that. No wonder their appeal wasn't granted, 'blot out more of the sky and river' is such a weak argument.