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Old April 14th, 2013, 11:43 PM   #1
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KRAKOW | Historical Center Renewal

Renovation works from last year :

two from Bracka street

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Garbarska street

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Basztowa street

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three from Grodzka street

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Jagiellonska street

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Poselska street

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Krowoderska street

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św. Jana street

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Studencka street

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św. Katarzyny street

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Szczepański square

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Main Market Square

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That is only few ... I will post more tomorrow

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Old April 15th, 2013, 01:01 AM   #2
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Great work in Krakow. The city will be even more beautiful.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 01:14 AM   #3
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Old April 15th, 2013, 03:11 AM   #4
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some more from last year ...

Piłsudskiego street

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Rakowicka street

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Karmelicka street

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Grodzka street

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Great work in Krakow. The city will be even more beautiful.
it's still a looong way to go unfortunately ...

We have more than 2000 historical buildings in the city center, since fall of communism in '89 we manage to renovate about 500 of them at the total price of 250 million $ ...

In last years we have a good pace of renovating about 100 buildings per year so it would take more or less 10-15 years to reach perfection

Damn commies for almost 50 years of their oppression in Poland they didn't care a bit about our cultur and heritage, everything was almost gone...

Kanonicza street in '90

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Kanonicza now

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Old April 15th, 2013, 05:23 AM   #5
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Old April 15th, 2013, 07:03 PM   #6
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Damn commies for almost 50 years of their oppression in Poland they didn't care a bit about our cultur and heritage, everything was almost gone...
Why is it that in all communist nations, the government did not care about restoring and maintaining the cities? It lead to the impression that all Iron Curtain countries were depressing and unattractive. This is not the case anymore, at least for Poland (I was there twice), but old stereotypes die hard.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 08:01 PM   #7
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Polands economy was in a very bad state during communist times, so funding must have been a problem. And like you already mentioned, Moscow didnt give a single f*ck about cultural heritage in general, they'd rather spend money on their military. Luckily some large parts are renovated now, but there is so much work left, wich will probably take an other 20 years at least.
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Polands economy was in a very bad state during communist times, so funding must have been a problem. And like you already mentioned, Moscow didnt give a single f*ck about cultural heritage in general, they'd rather spend money on their military. Luckily some large parts are renovated now, but there is so much work left, wich will probably take an other 20 years at least.
Moscow didn't have anything to do with it though and Polish economy was indeed in very bad state in the '80 the decade of stagnation but poor condition of facades have probably more to do with development of polluting heavy industry that turned them grey and even black.
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I read that Nowa Huta steel mill just outside Krakow was chosen to be built there because they knew all the pollution and smoke would blacken Krakows buildings. And this did happen.
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you can read many stupid things about Nowa Huta some people in Cracow still hate it I guess
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F*ck commies, they are thankfully dead, gone and will never comeback

more renovations from last year.

two from Krakowska street

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Zamenhoff street

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Old -Świt- "the Dawn" - Cinema building

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Small Market Square

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another one from Grodzka street

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Karmelicka street

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and some other cool pictures of renovations from 2012 but unfortunately I don't have any "before" and "after" photos ... I hope you would forgive me

Szewska street



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Karmelicka street



Meiselsa street



Wiślna street



Szpitalna street

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you can read many stupid things about Nowa Huta some people in Cracow still hate it I guess
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there is some true in that story that communist build New Steel Mill in Krakow to destroy our historic old town

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thanks, hope Persia would soon say "f*ck you" to the radical islamists in power right now, no regime is good for your country and will bring no prosperity for your people ...
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Just curious - are there any incentives/support provided from the municipal budget, to the renovation process, or is this entirely a private initiative?

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Polands economy was in a very bad state during communist times, so funding must have been a problem. And like you already mentioned, Moscow didnt give a single f*ck about cultural heritage in general, they'd rather spend money on their military. Luckily some large parts are renovated now, but there is so much work left, wich will probably take an other 20 years at least.
Less so in Poland, but the absolute main reason why the architectural heritage in commie controlled countries was so badly neglected was ideological. Splendor of the old buildings was seen as something built by the bourgeoisie - the baby-eating demons who oppressed the honest worker for centuries, or the church - another despised institution.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 01:31 AM   #15
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Just curious - are there any incentives/support provided from the municipal budget, to the renovation process, or is this entirely a private initiative?
15 mil. $ per year is paid by the national budget for renovations works in Krakow, no other city in Poland have that priviledge.
Another million or two (it depends from the financial situation of the city) is paid by the city budget.

Every private initiative can receive back up to 50 % of the total cost of the renovation works.

Like I said earlier, from above 2000 historical buildings in Krakow about 500 are already renovated, so with today pace of about 100 renovations per year we could renovate all of them in next 10-15 years.
(I hope it will be even sooner, because we still have nice GDP growth every year and that means more money in the budget every year )

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exactly
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Your fellow citizens already do that quite often when there is some discussion about Warsaw outside of our section but this is OT.

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Less so in Poland, but the absolute main reason why the architectural heritage in commie controlled countries was so badly neglected was ideological. Splendor of the old buildings was seen as something built by the bourgeoisie - the baby-eating demons who oppressed the honest worker for centuries, or the church - another despised institution.
XIX century architecture was considered worthless, buildings from this period were often used as social housing (which is probably the main reason of their desperate condition to this day along with complicated legal status) and demolished but in the same time many XVII century and older buildings were reconstructed in Poland. It wasn't exclusively a "communist" thing they demolished quite a lot in Britain, Scandinavia and many other places in the west, few people in the Eastern Block cared about "ideology" after 1956 anyway.
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Less so in Poland, but the absolute main reason why the architectural heritage in commie controlled countries was so badly neglected was ideological. Splendor of the old buildings was seen as something built by the bourgeoisie - the baby-eating demons who oppressed the honest worker for centuries, or the church - another despised institution.

Not the case in Poland, despite communism, Gdańsk (Danzig), Warsaw, Wrocław (Breslau) and many other cities were rebuilt, reconstructions in Poland were really well done so when you look at these buildings you wonder if its reconstruction. Note that Danzig and Breslau were not even Polish cities before WW2, and Warsaw's Old town is now on UNESCO list. Ideology has nth to do here, Polish economy was in horrible state in 80's, actually it led to the fall of communism.
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Amazing new thread! Thanks for posting

And guys, tread carefully concerning political discussions
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Some political discussions can teach you things but if it leads to insults then of course I am against it.
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