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Old November 19th, 2012, 10:04 PM   #21
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Is this steel truss the original one, or already replace?
This should be original. By a renovation (who needed more than 15 years, finished in 2010) have a lot of revets been replaces.
O, and during the liberation in 1944 a V2 has fallen on the station, nowadays you can still see a kink in the roof (outside, inside it's hidden behind a ceilling).
All this according to http://www.davidsfonds.be/publisher/edition/detail.phtml?id=2908]this book.
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Old April 16th, 2014, 07:25 PM   #22
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This thread needs a bump!
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Old April 16th, 2014, 10:34 PM   #23
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Not just a bump, but more info as well. I was in Antwerp a month ago and it seems the tram map in this thread is out of date. Lots of work was underway, creating some new tram corridors, and afterwards I read they are also working underground, getting some of the old tunnels ready to be used.
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Old April 17th, 2014, 02:43 AM   #24
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This is a newer tram map:


Since the beginning of this thread two major extensions are opened: to Boechout handled by line 15 and to Wijnegem handled by lines 5 and 10. Also line 4 is extended a bit (from Ekstelaar to Silsburg), but that's just a tiny segment of 750 m involving the Dascottelei that link the Ekstelaar terminus to the pre-existing tramrails in the Herentalsebaan (so tram 4 could reach the Silsburg terminus).

There were also some reorganisations. Like line 2 is not going to the Left Bank anymore but to Merksem. Line 8 is abolished and partially replaced by line 9. Also the course of lines 4 and 12 are changed to fill the gab left by the abolishment of line 8.


New projects are underway. There is LIVAN:


This will finally open the subway section underneath the Turnhoutsebaan build 30 years ago but never went into service. It will be a direct link from the Astrid station (Antwerp Central station) to a P+R near Wommelgem.

Another major project is BRABO II, a long tramway to the north. This will improve the tramnetwork in the city centre itself and more specific the accessibility of 'Het Eilandje'. That's an upgraded city district with lot's of development but without access to the tram network. So that will be changed by this project. This is major project since it requires lot's of new tramway track in the city centre. So it's linked to the reconstruction of some streets, most notably the Italiëlei.

I have some video's about this project. They all handle a different segment (sorry, in Dutch only)



(BTW, this one is focused more on the square than on the new tramlines)






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Old April 17th, 2014, 03:11 AM   #25
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Great projects for Antwerp, indeed!
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Old April 18th, 2014, 04:35 PM   #26
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I took tram 10 from Centraal Station to Wijnegem Shopping Center because a little brochure in my hotel said the tram would take me there in 10 minutes. Having seen tram 10 struggle it's way through the city center, I thought to myself "no way that's possible", so I decided to check it out for myself.

It ended up taking about 35-45 minutes. I was surprised at the lack of segregation: for much of the route the tram shared it's track with cars. To add to the misery, the tram had to wait at red lights several times for many, many minutes in total. Simply having the ability to turn the cycle of traffic lights in their favor would really speed up the tram's exit out of the city center and through Deurne.
But that would not have solved the tram sharing it's track with cars in the very narrow city streets.

Imagine my surprise when I found out later that the tram had actually been riding on top of an unused tram tunnel, which lay underneath the Carnotstraat and Turnhoutsebaan.

Imagine my second surprise when I found out they were going to let tram 10 ride on ground level after the tunnel's opening. Does anyone know why? Will moving the other trams in the tunnel free up more space for tram 10 to speed up?
Will they finally let trams have control over the traffic light cycles?
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Old April 18th, 2014, 07:59 PM   #27
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Imagine my second surprise when I found out they were going to let tram 10 ride on ground level after the tunnel's opening. Does anyone know why? Will moving the other trams in the tunnel free up more space for tram 10 to speed up?
Will they finally let trams have control over the traffic light cycles?
it was said, that the tunnel should be used for the fast connection and tram has to serve all stops, having little space between stops as it is at present. Therefore only every second of the already finished metro-stations should be opened. This, imho is a silly plan. The real reason may be to reduce costs for opening the tunnel finally by opening only every second station. The space between the already built pré-metro stations is small enough to substitute the whole tram-line and terminate it´s service.

Even if this tunnel is opened one day there is still another already finished tunnel, which is not discussed to be opened at all. It seems to be some kind of ideology against pré-metro.

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Old April 18th, 2014, 10:39 PM   #28
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I can understand they wouldn't open the underground Carnot station, as it's just too close to Centraal Station. But the underground Drink station? Surely this should be opened?!
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Old April 23rd, 2014, 01:46 AM   #29
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Some recent pictures:


7058 & 7115 Antwerp 14 April 2014


7004 Antwerp 14 April 2014


7116 Antwerp 14 April 2014


7053 Antwerp 14 April 2014

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Old June 13th, 2014, 03:11 PM   #30
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I was surprised at the lack of segregation: for much of the route the tram shared it's track with cars.
As far as I know, there is segration on most of the route, the tram and bus lanes being elevated with ~10 cm above the other lanes.


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...there is still another already finished tunnel, which is not discussed to be opened at all.
Could you elaborate please ?
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Old June 13th, 2014, 05:04 PM   #31
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Could you elaborate please ?
There is a finished tunnel under Kerkstraat and Pothoekstraat, built to link the Schijnpoort-station with future Carnot-station. Stations are built at St. Willibrordus kerk and Stuivenberg.

http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/be/ant/antwerpen.htm

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Old December 16th, 2014, 09:34 PM   #32
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There still are plans and growing chance to open this last unused tunnel section in the future.



(Urbanrail.net)


The first new 43m long Flexity2 tram for Antwerp en Ghent has arrived in Ghent this weekend. Ten 43m Flexity2-trams and 28 of them are ordered for Antwerp. They will put in service on the busiest Premetro-line 15 from september this year.







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Old December 19th, 2014, 11:01 PM   #33
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Some pictures I took some time ago:

Premetrostation Van Eeden on the left bank:











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Old April 18th, 2015, 10:53 AM   #34
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Today, Line 8 extension from Florent Pauwels to Rondpunt Wommelgem and new part of premetro tunnel between Astrid and Muggenberglei is opened. Updated map from urbanrail.net:

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Impressive network for a city of it's size. How would rank Antwerp mass transit on a 0-10 scale?
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Old April 18th, 2015, 09:50 PM   #36
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Do they plan to infill the stations between Astrid and Zegel? Seems like there schould be maybe 1 or 2 aditional stns usefull.
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Old April 18th, 2015, 10:57 PM   #37
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Line 8 currently ends at Astrid and line 24 still runs parallel aboveground, so it is indeed a half baked tram line, but at least it's a first step.
Line 24 still serves the existing abouveground tram stops that are skipped by underground line 8.

It is scheduled in 2016 to open the eastern tunnel ramp trough Opera station.

When that happens, line 8 will replace line 24. In that case it is necessary to open all remaining stations.
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Old April 19th, 2015, 12:17 AM   #38
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I never saw the need for Carnot station. The distances between Drink and Astrid are so short, and transferring between lines can be done at Astrid. Carnot station only adds unnecessary time to everyone's journey.
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In my opinion all tunnel sections and stations should be opened, except maybe Morckhoven because it's too close the tunnel exit ramp, there is already a tram stop before the tunnel entrance.

- According to my measurements the distance between Astrid and Drink is about 1km. In my opinion still too much in a densely populated area and one of the busiest public transport axis in Antwerp. It's makes more sense to have more stops there and less in the suburbs.
- People will certainly complain if the underground stations that correspond to the surface level stops are not opened (actually there already have been complaints now)
- Tax payer's money spent 30 years ago, it would be a waste if this infrastructure remained unused, it still requires maintenance even if it's not opened.

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Seems that the street entrance to Morckhoven station were never built, so opening it would be expensive. But the other stations could be opened at reasonable cost, they already have been set up as emergency exits.
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In my opinion all tunnel sections and stations should be opened, except maybe Morckhoven because it's too close the tunnel exit ramp, there is already a tram stop before the tunnel entrance.
Absolutely correct. Nice to hear that this tunnel finally will be used for it´s original purpose. The original plans intended to have a real metro and tunnels will be used first for pré-metro. Later they turned the idea into a Stadtbahn-like system like Hannover, Stuttgart and other german cities did the same. So having some tram-like distances between stops doesn´t matter, because it still is a tram (light-rail) and service will be faster and more reliable in tunnel anyway.

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Seems that the street entrance to Morckhoven station were never built, so opening it would be expensive. But the other stations could be opened at reasonable cost, they already have been set up as emergency exits.
As far as I remember it was build without any open cut, like some of the Paris metro-stations never opened, beeing built under ground. But what about branch to Foorplein? I think it is only possible to bring all lines into the tunnel if that branch will be opened too...

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